POST/ TRANSITION With US AIRWAYS/AMT/UNION'S.

[allunionsdeceive]

Do you not understand that even if you go ibt you will not get a new CBA, you will administer the IAM CBA with a transition agreement?

And as of now the NMB has not determined if a vote will even take place.

Scared?
We need you and your kind off the tails of the AMT's.

Rags please

 

[700UW]

How mature and intelligent.

NOT!

 

[allunionsdeceive]

Has the NMB declared an election?
NO!

Has the NMB mailed out ballots?
NO!

No election then.

Is that too hard for you to comprehend?

Scared

How mature and intelligent.

Thanks, I know I am.
Then tell me why a stock clerk should earn more than the guy down at the local auto parts store or a utility person making more than the guy/ girl cleaning the local offices.

Living on the coat tails now and always have been.
The AMT's have always thought this.

That will change.

Scared?

 

[Bob Owens]

Scared
Thanks, I know I am.
Then tell me why a stock clerk should earn more than the guy down at the local auto parts store or a utility person making more than the guy/ girl cleaning the local offices.

Living on the coat tails now and always have been.
The AMT's have always thought this.

That will change.

Scared?

Why? Because they work for an airline thats why. The guy down at the local parts store doesnt have to worry about DOT violations for improperly shiping squibs or O2 generators etc. They work 24 x 7 x 365 just like us mechanics too.

Look if you want to argue the merits of going to the IBT I'm with you but petty put downs of other people are un called for.You are doing the craft and class a disservice.

Do you not understand that even if you go ibt you will not get a new CBA, you will administer the IAM CBA with a transition agreement?

And as of now the NMB has not determined if a vote will even take place.

I think you may be right.

So maybe the best route is to get the vote going, then dont vote so you have no union, then a year later bring in a union and start with a clean slate.

 

[allunionsdeceive]

Why? Because they work for an airline thats why. The guy down at the local parts store doesnt have to worry about DOT violations for improperly shiping squibs or O2 generators etc. They work 24 x 7 x 365 just like us mechanics too.

Look if you want to argue the merits of going to the IBT I'm with you but petty put downs of other people are un called for.You are doing the craft and class a disservice.
I think you may be right.

No, just that they should be under a separate contract as it is other places.
I was not tring to say most did not work or work hard. If so, did not mean it. They do not have near the responsibility of any AMT.

Decertification is the way.

 

[700UW]

Bob Owens,

You and I have not seen eye to eye, but your post was dead on the money.

Thank You.

 

[gonzo]

Why? Because they work for an airline thats why. The guy down at the local parts store doesnt have to worry about DOT violations for improperly shiping squibs or O2 generators etc. They work 24 x 7 x 365 just like us mechanics too.

So are you saying that they have the same responsibilities as the AMT's and should be paid the same? 🙂

 

[700UW]

Last time I checked a stock clerk nor utility are payed the same as an AMT.

Ponder this gonzo, why does an A&P at a MRO make as little as $13 an hour?

 

[delldude]

So are you saying that they have the same responsibilities as the AMT's and should be paid the same? 🙂

you have comprehension issues?
dude,theres a level of responsibilty is what he infers....same as an AMT? not quite......but could be as deadly when it comes to mistakes.

as for compensation.....my friend is a bricklayer and he's well into the $30 range......is he paid accordingly as you and I for our responsibilities?

 

[700UW]

And by the way the FAA did take action against a clerk several years back in CLT after the foreman ordered him to ship some O2 generators on a flight.

 

[Bob Owens]

So are you saying that they have the same responsibilities as the AMT's and should be paid the same? 🙂

No, what I'm saying is that the level of sacrifice and responsibilty of a stock clerk at an airline is greater than that of a stock clerk at an autoparts store. His pay should reflect that.

Look, just because we as a class and craft have never gotten our act together we do not have the right, nor does it further our cause, to put down our coworkers. The only people at the airlines that any of us should be attacking as far as compensation are those at the top who rake in millions while telling us to work for less. I have yet to see a stock clerk post that mechanics were overpaid or even that they should be paid the same as us. The sooner we look at other workers as allies against a common enemy the better off we will all be.

 

[wrencher9]

Why is it always what the IAM wil do for us? I am now as I have been told I am confused as with the second vote. I wish I was better informed but I guess as the moderrendi of the IAM:Keep us in the dark and misinformed or informed with the one sided talk of the IAM. It is the belief of the rank in file that there is the IAM, the IBT and the truth which the IAM leans to the far left of the truth:half truths. Would it not be better to get the information from both sides and then make a intellegent decision based on facts. I have listen to Delldude and 700 and it seems very slanted and full of much rederick of the IAM dogma, I wish that just the information be given out to the membership and we will decide and not by getting the jest of what is happening on these chat rooms. But I believe this is the only place many can vent without fear of reprecussions from the IAM leadership.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

nor does it further our cause, to put down our coworkers.

I have to agree with you on that point Bob. It's really getting old to put down 700 for the job he performs. Does it carry the same level of responsibilty? No, but very important nonetheless. Should his craftclass be included with the mechanics...personally I don't believe so, but it's not 700 fault that he and other's in similiar positions are. The IAM deserves credit for that. Credit 700 for not lashing back at all the putdowns about his job and staying within a certain professional confine. Says alot about his character IMO.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

Eric & Bob,

But He is for better or worse a IAM kool-aide wino desparately in need of a 12 step program IMO!

You can debate him but please don't disrespect what he does. That's wrong!

Couldn't have said it better myself Bob. Ya know there is antidote for kool-aide addicts. It's called a dose of reality 🙄 Of which I have gotten plenty of recently. And some people thought all the kool-aide addicts were pro-company

 

[delldude]

Doug Parker said he's willing to talk to whomever the surviving unions are....supposedly there is money and benefits for all??

the time to talk is now! 😱

US Airways Fourth-Quarter Loss Widens to $261 Million
Feb. 21 (Bloomberg) -- US Airways Group Inc., which left bankruptcy protection by merging with America West Airlines in September, said its fourth-quarter loss widened as the price of fuel rose and it spent money merging with the rival.

The net loss was $261 million, or $3.26 a share, compared with $69 million, or $4.66 a share, a year earlier, the company said in a PRNewswire statement today.

Even projecting fuel prices, the airline believes ``that excluding one-time merger-related transition costs, the new US Airways will be profitable in 2006,'' Chief Executive Officer Doug Parker said in the statement.

wishful thinking or will time tell?

looks good or am I missing something?