PSA and 900s

[Crzipilot]

have to agree with Tbone on the point of arguement I keep hearing around. "It'll cost US too much money to put them anywhere else. PDT etc..." Or they have to put them here because we already operate the CRJ.
Folks take a look at MDA. How many millions were poured in to start that program up, and it was sold for how much??? Which equated to a loss of how much??? OH sorry it wasn't a loss, it paid for Mgmt's bonuses.

Anywho, with the planes slated for delivery 1st qtr 2007 (could be as late as March, for 1 a/c. 6 months is plenty time to start a program up. US already owns the manuals (all crj procedures and stuff from PSA quickly to PDT.) In addition, Mesa can always sign another contract for US feed. GoJets can sign a contract (they fly 700's now) Anyone out there that operates a RJ can get a program running and working in short order (as long as they have good relations with their friendly POI)
True US doesn't want to bring in another contract partner, BUT as Parker has stated, they are willing to look at any situation that comes across their noses.
Just tired of hearing the arguement that PSA makes too much money, etc etc as a reason why the Jets have to go there.

 

[john john]

Wow, PSA said 'NO'. Pity they didn't say the same thing when J4J was just a ridiculous idea put forth by the AAA MEC. 😉

Well, if PSA really did say 'NO', which I find hard to believe, enjoy having those balls for the short time you'll have them. Because they will surely wither and drop off when US Airways announces that CHQ or MESA or Air Wisky or Horizon or China Southern or Zimbabwe Express or some other shitbag operation gets them.

PSA became a certified shitbag operation when they sold out their brothers and sisters at ALG and PDT by agreeing to J4J and bottom feeder payrates for the CRJs. There is now no shortage of competing shitbag operations who will say 'Yes' to Airways' terms.

Maybe saying 'NO' will precipitate the sale of PSA. And if the weenies at PSA thing it can't happen because 'we make too much money for US Airways', take a look at the MDA deal.

Good luck with the MESA integration kids!

BAMB!

 

[algflyr]

US already owns the manuals (all crj procedures and stuff from PSA quickly to PDT.)

If I'm not mistaken, and I may be, PDT already has the manuals and procedures in place from several years ago when it appeared some CRJ's may go there. Not really sure though....

 

[Crzipilot]

Would make such an even faster transition. From what I hear, I think they will be getting such offer soon enough. See what they do regarding pay etc etc.....will be interesting.

 

[algflyr]

Would make such an even faster transition. From what I hear, I think they will be getting such offer soon enough. See what they do regarding pay etc etc.....will be interesting.

I'm pretty sure they already have rates for 70 seaters. They have a pay difference for the larger A/C they fly now (At least for CA's) I would expect them to extend that to the 900 if it is really offered. Time will tell. If they do end up going to PDT, that would make it much more likely in the near term for a merger between PDT and PSA. So thay may very well get you the 900's later and a better contract to boot.

 

[Dash Trash]

I'm pretty sure they already have rates for 70 seaters. They have a pay difference for the larger A/C they fly now (At least for CA's) I would expect them to extend that to the 900 if it is really offered. Time will tell. If they do end up going to PDT, that would make it much more likely in the near term for a merger between PDT and PSA. So thay may very well get you the 900's later and a better contract to boot.

If we have 70 seat payscales, they're not on anything I have. Not to say they couldn't be hiding somewhere, but I don't believe we have such an animal.

 

[flyin2low]

It makes me sick that PDT pilots are already licking their chops to try to acquire the 900's. The only way is to undercut or match PSA's cost. Which most of you have been so critical about. The Whoring of the industry huh. :down:

 

[TBONEJ4J]

It makes me sick that PDT pilots are already licking their chops to try to acquire the 900's. The only way is to undercut or match PSA's cost. Which most of you have been so critical about. The Whoring of the industry huh. :down:

Please. If one whore's pimp loses out to another whore's pimp, it's still just a bunch of whore's. :down:

At least PDT (and ex-ALG) resembles a high-class hooker.

PSA is clearly a trailer trash street walker, but still has a ways to go before becoming the neighborhood crack-whore(that's CHQ/REP/SA in case you didn't know). :mf_boff:

 

[john john]

It makes me sick that PDT pilots are already licking their chops to try to acquire the 900's. The only way is to undercut or match PSA's cost. Which most of you have been so critical about. The Whoring of the industry huh. :down:

Jerry has express by the Balls just were he wants them shiny new jets anybody. HO HO HO please me please me

 

[PropPiedmont]

It makes me sick that PDT pilots are already licking their chops to try to acquire the 900's. The only way is to undercut or match PSA's cost. Which most of you have been so critical about. The Whoring of the industry huh. :down:

PDT would never undercut a fellow wholly owned for flying. It has been done to us and we won't do it to PSA. It defeats the whole negotiating process if one is always willing to jump in and say, "I'll do it for 3% less, just give us the airplanes now."

PSA does not need to worry about PDT interferring with their negotations. Stand your ground and be strong.

 

[Strider]

['flyin2low' date='Jul 17 2006, 02:40 PM' post='396963']
It makes me sick that PDT pilots are already licking their chops to try to acquire the 900's. The only way is to undercut or match PSA's cost. Which most of you have been so critical about. The Whoring of the industry huh. :down:

Been through this thread a couple of times and I can't find where PDT pilots are "licking their chops" for these a/c.

 

[flycrazy77]

It makes me sick that PDT pilots are already licking their chops to try to acquire the 900's. The only way is to undercut or match PSA's cost. Which most of you have been so critical about. The Whoring of the industry huh. :down:

If it weren't for PSA sliding in under the radar at the last minute and undercutting PDT, PDT would have been flying jets two years ago. If it so happens that PDT does get an offer for the 900's and are willing to fly them for rates as set forth 3+ years ago, so be it!! 'Bout damn time, and I don't think too many would argue that. Hell, I think many guys would accept them for Dash-300 pay to get them on the property. Time will tell!

More important than any of that though is that they stay on the wholly-owned side, right? After all, a merger isn't probably too far off.....

 

[PropPiedmont]

If it weren't for PSA sliding in under the radar at the last minute and undercutting PDT, PDT would have been flying jets two years ago. If it so happens that PDT does get an offer for the 900's and are willing to fly them for rates as set forth 3+ years ago, so be it!! 'Bout damn time, and I don't think too many would argue that. Hell, I think many guys would accept them for Dash-300 pay to get them on the property. Time will tell!

More important than any of that though is that they stay on the wholly-owned side, right? After all, a merger isn't probably too far off.....

PDT will not undercut PSA period. We will not fly anything offerred to PSA at a rate lower than what was offerred to PSA. It's that simple. There will not be a 90 seat RJ at PDT being flown for $58 per hour.

If PDT were to accept such terms we may as well be sold to Mesa and move to Hawaii to fly 90 seaters for 58 bucks an hour.

 

[Crzipilot]

Looks like PDT pilots have a differing of opinion. But yet you ask for PSA to stand strong and refuse to fly the 900's at a pay rate which is higher than the Mesa 900 rate. (effectively by 10/07 with about 10 a/c on property)
And people wonder, why each pilot group slits the other's throats. Now if the Combined MEC's came upwith a plan.....that would be one thing. But for a bunch of internet msg boards saying we will or will not do this.......etc etc....forget it...

 

[Dash Trash]

Looks like PDT pilots have a differing of opinion. But yet you ask for PSA to stand strong and refuse to fly the 900's at a pay rate which is higher than the Mesa 900 rate. (effectively by 10/07 with about 10 a/c on property)
And people wonder, why each pilot group slits the other's throats. Now if the Combined MEC's came upwith a plan.....that would be one thing. But for a bunch of internet msg boards saying we will or will not do this.......etc etc....forget it...

Exactly where have you seen PDT slash anyone's throat? Fact is we've been the ones that have had the cut throats, knives in the back, and you know what where. Between losing the Florida flying to Mesa, losing half our fleet, the CLT and PHF bases closing, etc, I'm sick and tired of hearing you jet guys whining like your engines.

We are not out to undercut PSA. NOWHERE has that been brought up. The entire subject of those 900s going to PDT has not been brought up either. If it does, we would not let ourselves be used as a bargaining chip to have you guys fly them at lower rates.

Quit worrying about... Back to your regularly scheduled programming.