Jim you have stated that just because the east has lower pay rates than west, the total cost may not be lower. Do you have numbers for that or are you just guessing? Would you know where to find total pilot block hour costs for each side? Thanks.
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I've got numbers for Group II/757 based on the BTS data - figured it wasn't worth the trouble trying to include 767/A33 since the West doesn't have comparible equipment operating under their contract and therefore no BTS numbers to compare to. Likewise, the E190 isn't operated by West under their contract yet so no way to make a comparison.
You just need to extract the pertinent data from several large BTS databases, then put it together to get the cost/hour for each airplane for the two sides. I think I worked on it off and on for a couple of weeks.
Jim
ps - I'll just say that the numbers are VERY close, especially when you're looking at over $200/block hour total pilot cost - well under 1% difference.
You just need to extract the pertinent data from several large BTS databases, then put it together to get the cost/hour for each airplane for the two sides. I think I worked on it off and on for a couple of weeks.
Jim
ps - I'll just say that the numbers are VERY close, especially when you're looking at over $200/block hour total pilot cost - well under 1% difference.
Thanks, I'll try to find it. Doesn't it throw the numbers off just looking at group II, since our pay is higher on that than groupt III, unlike the west?
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bts.gov under "data" then "aviation" - more databases than you'll ever need.
Darn, I hope I'm not getting that senile - isn't Group II the 737/A320 series? Group I the 767/757 and no group III any more (that was the F100 wasn't it)?
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Darn, I hope I'm not getting that senile - isn't Group II the 737/A320 series? Group I the 767/757 and no group III any more (that was the F100 wasn't it)?
Jim
Ooops, think you're right. I keep thinking A330 as group I, meant 75/76.
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An easy thing to do.....
Most of the databases that deal with cost break it down by aircraft type (737-300, 737-400, A319, A320, etc), but unfortunately use codes so that's another database to convert the codes to actual airplane types. Some break it down further to region of operation - domestic, Caribbean, European, etc. Anyway, the hard work is getting just the US/HP data (the BTS still has them separately since there are still two certificates) separated from all the other airlines and sorted by aircraft type. Then it's just a matter of putting all the pertinent data together by aircraft.
Unfortunately, in some cases you end up dealing with multi-gigabyte sized databases where some are monthly and others quarterly.
Jim
Thanks Jim.
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I wonder what it says when I trust Jim to interpret these databases far more than I'd ever trust Joe Beery to be able to do it. 🙂
