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Employer provided healthcare insurance came about in the early days of labor as an enticement to lure quality people from one company to another.It never was an entitlement program.It never should be an entitlement program either.
Low income or poverty level should be absorbed 'pro bono' or 'gratis' by the healthcare industry.
Get all the MF's off welfare and working,contributing to the taxbase,bounce the illegal undocumented aliens back and reduce the drain on our system,get the health insurance companies to provide coverage at the state or national level much like they do to big companies.Bingo.

Keep the government out of my body...they can't run a country,how are they going to fix your body?

I want someone to pay for my auto insurance....maybe someone in Washington can introduce a bill?


Get the Ann Coulters, the Jonah Goldbergs, the George W. Bushs off the wing-nut welfare system then I can talk to you about problems with the healthcare industry.

Get the freaks off, then we talk.
 
The biggest problem with gov't healthcare is that it is a great system UNTIL you get sick and the delays that are inherent kick in. Why do you think the canadians come here for major surgery, they can get it done quickly . In the case of a serious illness like cancer , what was treatable at diagnosis is incureable by the time treatment is begun due to the rationing of services. The other problem is the economic effect it has on the gov'ts , it bankrupts them. Socialized healthcare care is not the answer. Is healthcare really better in europe than it is here? I don't think so. Most major medical advances and drug research are made in the US not Europe. Health care is not the real problem , the lack of insurance is. Health insurance should be for major medical needs , not basic doctor visits. Does your car insurance cover oil changes? The whole system has become irrational.
 
The biggest problem with gov't healthcare is that it is a great system UNTIL you get sick and the delays that are inherent kick in. Why do you think the canadians come here for major surgery, they can get it done quickly . In the case of a serious illness like cancer , what was treatable at diagnosis is incureable by the time treatment is begun due to the rationing of services. The other problem is the economic effect it has on the gov'ts , it bankrupts them. Socialized healthcare care is not the answer. Is healthcare really better in europe than it is here? I don't think so. Most major medical advances and drug research are made in the US not Europe. Health care is not the real problem , the lack of insurance is. Health insurance should be for major medical needs , not basic doctor visits. Does your car insurance cover oil changes? The whole system has become irrational.

There is not one person I've ever met who is medicare eligble and complains about health care. Medicare pays for 80% of all health care costs for the elderly. The only time the elderly have issues is when they subscribe to an HMO (example Sec. Blue, Freedom Blue, Avantra, Health America) this co-insurance is managed care for the 65 and older group and Medicare becomes the secondary payor source instead of the primary payor source. Once the insured picks an HMO that they get lured in because of the prescription coverage, they get screwed with high premiums and dictaiton from the private insurer on what and where and who can provide the health care.

If you understood the system you could better understand what gov. health care is.

I know specifically because I deal with it day in and day out. Its part of my job to understand the payor source.

I'm in this system..I know more than the average joe out on the street.

If you are younger than 65, than you are paying for private insurance or none if you don't have the funds. For those folks who make $15,000 a year or lower are FULLY subsidized by the government. If your 65 and in that bracket you are eligible for Medicare and Medicade to cover all your medical needs. If you are younger than 65 and are disabled, you can be Medicare eligible if you disablilty has been for at least 24 months. Than you can be fully subsidized if you meet the income criteria.

If you are an individual who has not worked at least 40 quarters in your life time, you are not eligible for social security benefits or Medicare. These individuals are eligible for state funded disability and medicade only if they are disabled americans. If you have never worked and are not disabled, you aren't eligible for medicare or social security.

The poor do not complain about health care coverage. They get it all. Their plight is not having enough funds for utilities, housing and food.

These are the facts, not opinions.

BTW, look up the statistics, my friend. Mortality rate is higher in this country than most industrial countries in the world. For such great health care that you profess is so much better than the Canadians and Europe, why are folks dying more here than anywhere else?

My family lives in Greece with socialized medicine. They wouldn't trade it for system of premiums for anything in the world. The only folks I here banter about our health care being better provided here than some other countries is always by a U.S. Citizens. Again, with such arrogance of superiority. We are just lucky that the companies we work for provide most of the premiums, otherwise, it would be unaffforable for the average person to pay full premiums for themselves and famlies.
 
Pitbull -- congratulations to you for making the pivot from an FA to RN.

My wife is a RN in an urban (i.e. war zone) hospital emergency room.

The problem with health care are the folks on either end -- i.e. the uninsured who abuse the system and the lawyers on the other end.

Us folks in the middle who pay our bills are getting boffed.

Nurses in those emergency rooms are treated much much worse than even a fast food clerk.

At least the fast food clerk is getting some money in the transaction.

The nurses are just cursed and threatened by people with no insurance.
 
Here is my take on socialized medicine. I was recently in Canada and had to go to the hospital. All Canadians have a medical card of some sort. Well, my BC/BS was not an accepted form so I had to pay out of pocket hundreds of dollars. That wasn't the bad part. From what I understand, they don't have personal doctors so if you have anything going on from a checkup to a gunshot wound you go to the hospital. Then you get checked in right away and decide how urgent your situation is. It took me 5 HOURS to get looked at. I sat in a room full of people with all sorts of calamities from broken noses. a nail through one guys' hand, people with coughs so bad it sounded like death rattles, another lady with a a broken wrist, etc. And the people with the broken limbs were there for hours as well!! I got tired of watching the lady with the broken wrist..you could see the bone ready to pop thru the skin and she kept on fiddling with her homeade gauze bandage thingy. So if you think health coverage is terrilble - wait til it is free. If I had been in the States I would have called my doctor and got right in (my doctor thinks my job is glamorous!) or I could have gone to an urgent care facility. And would not have spent half the day doing it. If you are voting this November, do your research. The hotel manager told me after my fiasco that the Canadian gov't gets 53% of his income!! :down:
 
Hate to tell you this, my son broke his and, went to the ER at a Lake Norman Area hospital.

We sat in the waiting from 7pm till 12:30AM till he was taken back to be examined.

We left there at 2:30AM and they said well we dont think it broken.

Called his ortho and sent them the X-rays, told us to come in right away as his hand was broken.

By the way I have a top of the line Cigna Plan.

This was on a Tuesday Night in May.
 
Back to topic, but also kinda related to the above posts:

My suggestion is to "half-quit", work your minimums, drop to part-time, give away shifts, etc.
At the same time, explore your educational, professional, and personal opportunities. You may find, as I have, that USAirways becomes an even greater irritant, and thus an even greater incentive to doing something else. But in the mean time (recession looming) you have a backup, aggravating though it may be.

I'm under no illusions about the future of this company. When the cost of the gas commute/medical contribution hit the balance point with going on my wife's insurance, I'm outta there. It's getting close.
 
Hate to tell you this, my son broke his and, went to the ER at a Lake Norman Area hospital.

We sat in the waiting from 7pm till 12:30AM till he was taken back to be examined.

We left there at 2:30AM and they said well we dont think it broken.

Called his ortho and sent them the X-rays, told us to come in right away as his hand was broken.

By the way I have a top of the line Cigna Plan.

This was on a Tuesday Night in May.

Doesn't matter you have a "top of the line Cigna Plan" --- ER rooms have triage and if yours is not life-threatening or you're not being an ashole then you're going to wait.

I'm sorry you had a single bad experience in an ER. Do you want me to post how many times I've been screwed by the airlines? I pay top money (hundreds of thousands) and USAir specifically would not even return my calls.

Perhaps you work for US. If so, you're 13K worth of posts herewould indicate your highest-best use could be responding and resolving to customer email inquiries.
 
<SNIP> The only folks I here banter about our health care being better provided here than some other countries is always by a U.S. Citizens.
Just anecdotal stories from my European family. I’m an immigrant’s kid.


For such great health care that you profess is so much better than the Canadians and Europe, why are folks dying more here than anywhere else?
Because Americans think ketchup is a vegetable. But don’t worry; at least we’re exporting something.

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Back OT, I’d still be around if I could do just one 4 day a month, that is if the overnights were within a short walking distance of an all-you-can-eat buffet.
 
Doesn't matter you have a "top of the line Cigna Plan" --- ER rooms have triage and if yours is not life-threatening or you're not being an ashole then you're going to wait.

I'm sorry you had a single bad experience in an ER. Do you want me to post how many times I've been screwed by the airlines? I pay top money (hundreds of thousands) and USAir specifically would not even return my calls.

Perhaps you work for US. If so, you're 13K worth of posts herewould indicate your highest-best use could be responding and resolving to customer email inquiries.
There were no ambulences nor anyone with a worse or life threatening injury at the time.

And comparing an airline to healthcare is apples to oranges.
 
Doesn't matter you have a "top of the line Cigna Plan" --- ER rooms have triage and if yours is not life-threatening or you're not being an ashole then you're going to wait.

I'm sorry you had a single bad experience in an ER. Do you want me to post how many times I've been screwed by the airlines? I pay top money (hundreds of thousands) and USAir specifically would not even return my calls.

Perhaps you work for US. If so, you're 13K worth of posts herewould indicate your highest-best use could be responding and resolving to customer email inquiries.

I think 700 is a mechanic. Lord knows we have few enough of them left anyway to keep the junk in the air, and now you want him to respond to customer complaints too?

LKN Med Center has a poor rep, probably worse than ours. At least US doesn't have a high deadly infection rate (yet). Just don't drink the water.
 
Every time I went to LKN ER, it was a horrible wait and they dont know how to diagnosis.

My son broke his wrist last July, drove him down to Presbyterian in Huntersville, in and out under three hours with the right diagnosis and they put a soft cast on him and referred him to an orthopedist.

I was a stock clerk, no longer with US.
 
I've been here for 12 yrs and still enjoy my job. every job has its ups n downs. Sure I get tired of it, but thats why I get 4 plus weeks of vacation minumim and can maximize each vacation week to 3 plus weeks at a time. I'm currently planning my spur of the moment trip to New Zealand, leaving in just over a week. I've always believed in the grass isn't always greener. It also helps to have a life after work. I don't think about work after my trip is done until the night before my next trip. I've always believed if it's not in your blood, you need to make that choice to move on to another job. I often work with others that aren't happy about the job, "not the pay", the job. we all deserve a increase.
Anyway good luck with what you decide.




Do any of you guys seriously consider leaving this place? Starting over??? Trying to get pros and cons.
 
There were no ambulences nor anyone with a worse or life threatening injury at the time.

And comparing an airline to healthcare is apples to oranges.

Yes, of course. You know the severity of medical issues because you are a trained medical professional rather than just a citizen.

Also you know what is going on beyond those double doors of the ER that day too.

Sort of like airline customers deciding the crew is not illegal or that widget in the engine 'looks just fine, let's takeoff'!

All kidding aside, you cannot judge the healthcare system by one isolated incident with your son no more than a nurse could indict the entire airline business because of one missed connection (for whatever reason beyond his/her control or influence).

No apples to oranges here either. If an airline pax gets belligerent anywhere during the transaction (but after they pays their money to get that ticket of course!) then they will receive a smackdown by the TSA or other cops.

On the other hand, a walk-in customer to an ER doesn't need to fork over any cash, they can demand instant service, they won't be ejected because they go berserk and they can verbally (even physically) confront the nurse --- and they still will receive service!!

Sheesh!

(and let's hear PineyBob's sugary explanation of how this customer experience could be improved....)
 
"He had had a nice, good, idle time all the while-plenty of company-and the fence had three coats of whitewash on it! If he hadn’t run out of whitewash, he would have bankrupted every boy in the village.

Tom said to himself that it was not such a hollow world, after all. He had discovered a great law of human action, without knowing it-namely, that in order to make a man or a boy covet a thing, it is only necessary to make the thing difficult to attain. If he had been a great and wise philosopher, like the writer of this book, he would now have comprehended that Work consists of whatever a body is not obliged to do, and that Play consists of whatever a body is not obliged to do."

The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain.

Trust me on this, this job is Play.
For a second there I was marveling at the incredible post I was reading. Like
great literature, I said, and then I realized that it was a quote. Never the
less I agree with the spirit of that quote. There is no great job in the world
that will seem great when doing it without the above attitude. Thanks
 

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