Ramp Agents Only, Please

[Ramp Rogue]

Rouge'',


* in the event layoffs come into the picture DOH should apply, in my opinion.

Thanks

Pers,

That brings to mind another scenario. When 911 happened and we had mass layoffs, all across our system there were agents being layed off in their city while agents junior to them were still working in said city. That happened because of classification dates instead of DOH. Now how would you feel if you were hired p/t on 1/1/1990, went f/t on 1/1/1994, with an adjusted date of 1/1/1992, on 12/30/1991 John Doe gets hired f/t from the streets. You were hired 2 years before him, but he is senior to you. Here come the 911 layoffs and you are the last one layed off, while John Doe is still working. Is this fair? Hell no. But that is how it was then, and that is how it still is now. John Doe also gets to bid shifts and vacation before you. But you earn more vacation days than him. If you need to hear more scenarios, just let me know. I have a bunch of them, and they are all true.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Some people cannot work overtime because of family obligations, etc.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Some people cannot work overtime because of family obligations, etc.

isthisok,

Some people couldn't transfer to another city to get f/t because of family obligations. Some p/t's couldn't accept f/t in their own city because of other obligations. That doesn't mean that they should be punished for it by having their date of hire adjusted. But that is what happened to them. A fix to the system is needed fast. Integration is going to happen. If the seniority system isn't straightened out now, before the integration, it is going to be a lot of animosity between east and west.

 

[Turbo19]

It should be DOH but if they are going to go by classification seniority then the policy should be applied to everyone equally.The way it is right now the east is going by classification and the west is going by DOH. When we integrate we will be one work force. One work force with two different policies one for the west and one for the east. It should be one policy for every one.

 

[orioleman]

just a another taste of reality for inquiring minds..

1 US/AL never had a good ole boy network.. which meant . You got hired and transferred to what ever city had ft openings as soon
as you could ..

2. PI had good ole boy network . which meant . IF the manager liked you or you played softball YOU got full time ahead of other
people that had more time..

that is a fact . Alot of PI people got screwed because they weren't the teachers pet. so back to the original debate.

DOH all the WAY

 

[john john]

just a another taste of reality for inquiring minds..


2. PI had good ole boy network . which meant . IF the manager liked you or you played softball YOU got full time ahead of other
people that had more time..
DOH all the WAY

Did you hit the long ball in ORF

 

[Ramp Rogue]

It should be DOH but if they are going to go by classification seniority then the policy should be applied to everyone equally.The way it is right now the east is going by classification and the west is going by DOH. When we integrate we will be one work force. One work force with two different policies one for the west and one for the east. It should be one policy for every one.

Turbo,

That statement hit the nail on the head. Bravo! 😛

 

[pit_till_death]

DOH all the way. No matter what. I've been p/t, not by choice, and worked way more than just about any f/t agent out there. I've since gotten f/t and my adjusted date is almost 2 yrs less. Now, I probably work less than any p/t agent out there. Fleet is the only classification that has adjusted dates. Maintenance doesn't even have it and they're IAM. In fact, I think U-S Airways is the only company that I've ever heard of that has this type of seniority adjustment. We ALL work for US. Day one is day one.

 

[700UW]

Mtc doesnt have it because there was never part time, till some Utility briefly in 1999.

Mtc uses date of entry into classification.

But you use your original date under the CBA for bidding and accruing vacations, everything else is strictly date of entry into classification.

 

[john john]

I know this is a IAM/fleet thread but CSA/fleet have always had a close relationship what happen when CWA/IBT integrated with HP in
July 2005 America West and USAirways execs call for extra seniority treatment to boost HP employees over USAirways employees during merger integration. CWA insists on DOH as the only fair treatment for all employees whether US or HP

 

[perserverance]

Pers,

That brings to mind another scenario. When 911 happened and we had mass layoffs, all across our system there were agents being layed off in their city while agents junior to them were still working in said city. That happened because of classification dates instead of DOH. Now how would you feel if you were hired p/t on 1/1/1990, went f/t on 1/1/1994, with an adjusted date of 1/1/1992, on 12/30/1991 John Doe gets hired f/t from the streets. You were hired 2 years before him, but he is senior to you. Here come the 911 layoffs and you are the last one layed off, while John Doe is still working. Is this fair? Hell no. But that is how it was then, and that is how it still is now. John Doe also gets to bid shifts and vacation before you. But you earn more vacation days than him. If you need to hear more scenarios, just let me know. I have a bunch of them, and they are all true.

''rouge'',
As I said all along DOH is fine. I am just suggesting that an employee who does
not want F/T and turns it down, that maybe thier sen. should be effected from that point fwd.
Again DOH is fine but when an employee turns down an upgrade thier sen. should be effected
only if later they should decide to go F/T for bidding purposes only. They will keep thier DOH
for all other reasons, layoffs and such. So your scenario quoted stinks DOH should apply. An
employee should not leap over another in that situation.
''rouge'' , in my examples I've only suggested ''for bidding purposes'' and never any other
situation, based on an employee turning down a F/T upgrade and later taking said upgrade.

Thanks

 

[cltrat]

no matter how it is done, it will be unjust and not fair to somebody it's just the way it is to me DOH is the best solution and no I don.t have enough time that it being DOH affects me at all

 

[Ramp Rogue]

For those of you reading this, please state how our current seniority system has impacted your life over the years. Be it good, bad, or in between. Your personal seniority ordeal may help those that have been unaffected, to have a better understanding of how some have gotten the gold mine and others have gotten the shaft.

 

[Hadenough]

Seniority.....My case is somewhat unique in the fact that I have a hire date and an adjusted date in the same year. My two dates are 6 months apart. When I was hired on as P/T I busted my a$$ to get qualified for F/T and did so in a very short period of time. I have been F/T ever since and was never bumped back to P/T nor have I ever had to relocate to retain F/T status. I chose to move here in order to get this job over 20 years ago. I could have hired on in my home town but instead chose to come here because I could get to F/T quicker. There were those in my home town that had been P/T for 7 to 8 years. They could have relocated at any time to go F/T but they stayed where they were. If my memory is correct when I first upgraded there was not an adjusted date. You bid according to your date you went F/T. A lot of those long term P/T eventually came here to get their F/T and for a while I was senior to them when it came time to bid. Then came the adjusted date and all of a sudden they were senior to me. I was very bitter about this for a long time because I had sacrificed everything to move. I left everything I had known, my friends, my family, to move but my thoughts were it would be worth it in the long run. I am barely holding on to a day shift line and if we went to a straight DOH I would lose day shift. I would hardly get to be with my family if this ever happened.

So now for my opinion on the seniorty issue.
I know I will catch some flak over this and this is why I haven't stated my opinion before now.

I think there SHOULD be two seperate seniority systems. No adjusted date at all. All of this is for bidding purposes only.

P/T should be straight DOH and F/T should be from the date you went F/T. If you were full time and went back to P/T you would be given "credit" for all time served because while F/T you were working or scheduled for more hours that P/T.

OTOH if you went back and forth between F/T and P/T you should only be given "credit" for bidding for only the time served on F/T status.
That would be the reward for doing what it took to get and keep F/T be it moving to another city or working s**ty hours and shifts to retain your F/T status. I have worked nights and week days off for 20+ years to get to where I am now and do not think that someone that has not sacrificed as I have should be able to move in front of me just because the chose to stay P/T. They had the same opportunity I had but chose not to make the sacrifice.

You asked for my opinion so there it is. As it is said opinions are like a**holes everyone has one.

 

[philly rocks]

DOH is the only fair and equitable way. Customer service won DOH. ALPA didn't and you can see what a blood bath that has caused.

Stapling of seniority is not what anyone wants.