Reasons Why or Why Not To Vote For A Union

[smmech]

That's why EVERYONE needs to be informed and make a decision. Better to have a vote than to just accept what is forced upon you........we all have a choice.

In the situation you stated there is no vote. Most likely they will join the current union unit or leave the company.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

In the situation you stated there is no vote. Most likely they will join the current union unit or leave the company.

Based on fact or opinion??

 

[EricLv2Fish]

In the situation you stated there is no vote. Most likely they will join the current union unit or leave the company.

I thought that if our workgroup (AWA) was at least 35% of the combined workgoup (AWA non-union + US Airways union) that there would be a vote. Maybe it's 50%...anyway if a certain percentage is reached then there will be a vote from the entire group right?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Just sign the card and get everyone else who may be/will be/could be affected to sign and hand them in. It sure can't hurt!!

 

[john john]

Because there are similar/equivalent positions between the old US Airways and the old AWA and on the old US Airways side, those positions are unionized and they are not and never have been unionized at the old AWA. And due to the merger, the possibility exists that those positions will be/could be/might be acreeded into the union........all because of the merger and NOT because anyone at the old AWA wants to be under a union.

So you are saying that there are some people that were never in the bargaining unit to begin with but might be now and you think there might be another union vote because the company is pushing for one. The NMB rules what class and craft is in the vote. The company typically likes to put low-level management in the vote to get their support. I am sure the union does not want an employee group that thinks they do not belong in a union but the company would love to have them in another vote. This is union busting 101. Fear Uncertainty Doubt. Glass and the gang are up to their old tricks that’s why the company kept the two AL’s around. We will see if it will payoff for the company or turn out to be a long drawn out expensive battle company against the union.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

So you are saying that there are some people that were never in the bargaining unit to begin with but might be now and you think there might be another union vote because the company is pushing for one. The NMB rules what class and craft is in the vote. The company typically likes to put low-level management in the vote to get their support. I am sure the union does not want an employee group that thinks they do not belong in a union but the company would love to have them in another vote. This is union busting 101. Fear Uncertainty Doubt. Glass and the gang are up to their old tricks that’s why the company kept the two AL’s around. We will see if it will payoff for the company or turn out to be a long drawn out expensive battle company against the union.

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying.....there are employees who MIGHT/MAY/WILL BE acreeded into the union. And yes, the NMB rules/decides which group or groups are/may be similar/equivalent......and then those CURRENT NON UNION positions will be acreeded into the union.....whether they want to or not. This is because of the differences in the OLD US Airways and the OLD America West Airlines.

The company isn't pushing for a vote. The current non union members who again, might be/may/will be FORCED by the NMB and the acreedence process, should have the right to push for a vote. Don't you think?? Why, if you're going to be FORCED into a situation, wouldn't one want to have a choice as to which union will represent them?? As numerous posters have said, it's not up to the company.....it's up to the members/employees.

Why in the world would you think that the union wouldn't want a group that doesn't want to be there?? Gee......seems that I have read that there were other groups from the OLD US Airways that were acreeded into the union. Acreeded is the key word. That's an increase of DUES PAYING members that will increase the "kitty" of the unions. Those current non union/non management employees at the OLD AWA have chosen to remain non union. And I'm terribly sorry to say, that there will NOT be a choice because of the merger. So it's NOT union busting......it's a matter of being forced into the union whether you want to/choose to or NOT. If anything, it's union KIDNAPPING!!

And as far as FEAR, UNCERTAINTY AND DOUBT........that's what the non union, possibly acreeded into the union employees, are feeling..........for the most part. There isn't enough information from the IAM OR the IBT OR the COMPANY. Granted, the IBT is now discussing these issues as I'm sure you have seen on other topics so........it's a start........and that's why there should be a VOTE.......and not just for the current non union employees but ALL employees who want to make things better all the way around.

And I agree, the entire union/unions issues will be costly to all involved.

 

[smmech]

Based on fact or opinion??

Not sure where or what this guy does but if its a planner, QAC they are represented by IAM. The following are NMB rulings at US Airways, there was no vote. The NMB ditermined that these classifications fell under the IAMs certification of Mechanics and related. I was not there so I dont know all the details, but I found these ruling interesting.

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2001/28n030.html
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2001/28n017.html

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Not sure where or what this guy does but if its a planner, QAC they are represented by IAM. The following are NMB rulings at US Airways, there was no vote. The NMB ditermined that these classifications fell under the IAMs certification of Mechanics and related. I was not there so I dont know all the details, but I found these ruling interesting.

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2001/28n030.html
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2001/28n017.html

Thanks for the info.......much appreciated.

Proves my point.......there may be no choice IF there are rulings that are already made.

Sad. :angry:

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Thanks for the info.......much appreciated.

Proves my point.......there may be no choice IF there are rulings that are already made.

Sad. :angry:

Questions:

1. Do we, as the new US Airways plan on being a cookie cutter airline based on PAST NMB rulings?

2. The links given previously are great information. Did those groups ASK to be joined into the union or were they essentially kidnapped??

Just still trying to figure this all out. :unsure:

 

[700UW]

There was a organizing drive and they was over 50% of the cards signed and the IAM submitted the cards to the NMB and the NMB ruled that they were to be accreted as they are part of maintenance department and related class and craft.

US objected by the NMB ruled in favor of the accretion instead of holding an election.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

There was a organizing drive and they was over 50% of the cards signed and the IAM submitted the cards to the NMB and the NMB ruled that they were to be accreted as they are part of maintenance department and related class and craft.

US objected by the NMB ruled in favor of the accretion instead of holding an election.

Who did the organizing drive? Was it the QA department that asked to be in the union??

 

[700UW]

The Planners, Material Service Controllers, QA, Tech Doc Specialists and Maintenance Controllers approached the IAM about being represented and the IAM conducted an organzing drive.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Thanks. Can you tell me why they did that? Just curious.

 

[700UW]

Why who did what?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Why who did what?

Why those groups requested to be part of the union??