Reasons Why or Why Not To Vote For A Union

[700UW]

The only way the ibt will be the succesor is if their is an election and they win.

If the win they will administer the current IAM/US CBA so you would still fall under it.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The only way the ibt will be the succesor is if their is an election and they win.

If the win they will administer the current IAM/US CBA so you would still fall under it.

I am obviously missing something here.........please explain and provide proof that if the IBT is the successor, they are bound by the IAM/US CBA.

 

[700UW]

I have explained this to you over and over numerous times. A change in representation does not change your CBA nor open it for renegotiation.

AMFA beat the ibt at WN, all they did was take over enforcement of the ibt/CO CBA.

AMFA beat the IAM at UA, all they did was take over the IAM/UA CBA.

PFAA beat the ibt at NW, all they did was take over the ibt/NW CBA.

Like I said a change in representation does not mean a change in the CBA.

When the NMB rules single carrier status the IAM/CBA is what everyone will work under when a transition agreement is negotiated.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

I have explained this to you over and over numerous times. A change in representation does not change your CBA nor open it for renegotiation.

AMFA beat the ibt at WN, all they did was take over enforcement of the ibt/CO CBA.

AMFA beat the IAM at UA, all they did was take over the IAM/UA CBA.

PFAA beat the ibt at NW, all they did was take over the ibt/NW CBA.

Like I said a change in representation does not mean a change in the CBA.

When the NMB rules single carrier status the IAM/CBA is what everyone will work under when a transition agreement is negotiated.

And over and over again, the definition of a precedent: a case that MAY serve as an EXAMPLE or MODEL for a FUTURE action, procedure,etc.

Nothing is set in stone. You need to quit living in the past and look toward the future. The past MAY serve an an EXAMPLE or MODEL for a FUTURE action, procedure, etc.

And who's to say that the "transition agreement" will be NOTHING but the IAM contract or the IBT contract???

 

[700UW]

Amazing, go call the NMB if you don't believe me.

Precedent setting means they have to rule the same way in similar cases.

The transition agreement comes from the union that gets single carrier status even the ibt has agreed no matter what happens they IAM CBA is the surviving contract go read their web page if you don't believe me.

I have been in three mergers all ready I know what I speak of.

How many airline mergers with unions have you been involved with?

If you don't like my answers don't ask the same question over and over as I will answer it the same way.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/neg...er_section6.pdf

I did read it..........maybe you should read it again. The first paragraph is really good. FYI......almagamate means to unite or combine.

And what difference does it make how many union mergers I have been involved with?? For the love of aviation, get over the past and look to the future.

It's not that I don't like your answers..........I don't like wrong, inaccurate answers.

 

[700UW]

Go call the NMB they have to follow the RLA and their Representation Manual, all the answers are there.

PRECEDENT, go look it up in the dictionary, they have to rule on the facts of the case and they have to be consistant with past rulings as they were precedent setting.

Question 1: What contract will you work under? A contract negotiated by the Machinists, Teamsters or an amalgamated agreement (one bargained from both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements)?

Answer 1: There are a few possibilities.

If there is no election and the Machinists Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.

If there is an election and the Machinists is certified as your representative, you will still work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.

If there is an election and the Teamsters Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement

*This part is wrong information*: (only until such time as the Teamsters Union concludes bargaining a new agreement that seeks to improve on both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements.)

*added by me only the part before the colon and no where in the RLA or with the NMB's policies does a change in representation give the union the right to renegotiate the CBA.
Gee from 104's web page.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Go call the NMB they have to follow the RLA and their Representation Manual, all the answers are there.

PRECEDENT, go look it up in the dictionary, they have to rule on the facts of the case and they have to be consistant with past rulings as they were precedent setting.
*added by me only the part before the colon and no where in the RLA or with the NMB's policies does a change in representation give the union the right to renegotiate the CBA.
Gee from 104's web page.

One last time for me.........

I did look up PRECEDENT in the dictionary. You aren't looking at the MEANING in the dictionary.

I guess we'll just have to disagree.........and see how things work out.........for the best and a NEW way instead of stagnating with the OLD way.