Remember this in 2005? Union leaders bad or good?

[700UW]

Lets see the IAM has over 400,000 members and the IP makes under $200k , US has 32,000 employees and three time DUI Doug makes millions, is that what you call efficiency?

 

[usfliboi]

Lets see the IAM has over 400,000 members and the IP makes under $200k , US has 32,000 employees and three time DUI Doug makes millions, is that what you call efficiency?

It hurts doesnt it? Keep paying your dues and enjoy it in the mean time dont let the facts get in your way! You are no better off than 10 years ago. Argue with that and why unions couldnt keep the same rules and pay you had then? OOPS It couldve been worse though right? LOL

 

[john john]

It hurts doesnt it? Keep paying your dues and enjoy it in the mean time dont let the facts get in your way! You are no better off than 10 years ago. Argue with that and why unions couldnt keep the same rules and pay you had then? OOPS It couldve been worse though right? LOL

That is easy bankrupisty laws and an expert in labor and highly compensative Executive Vice President and Chief Human Resources Officer at US Airways
http://www.fhsolutionsgroup.com/showconsultant.aspx?show=45

OOPS It couldve been worse though right? LOL

For the passengers service agents… YES if a strike vote was not taken

 

[UPNAWAY]

More examples of how unions supporting Democrats is anti worker and anti jobs.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...s-anti-business-democrats-lack-171746551.html

 

[700UW]

Funny, nothing to do with unions, try again.

Your grasping for straws once again, post something that actually is relevant.

And Democrats are supporters of labor, republicans want workers to be slaves.

Republicans, anti-worker:

The GOP-controlled U.S. House of Representatives voted 238-186 in favor of H.R. 2587, a bill targeting the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) for accusing the Boeing Company of illegally retaliating against IAM workers and their representatives.

The so-called “Protecting Jobs from Government Interference Act” seeks to strip away worker protections by gutting enforcement provisions in the 70-year-old National Labor Relations Act. The bill now moves to the Democrat-controlled Senate, where it faces an uncertain future.

The GOP-supported legislation was introduced in the House shortly after the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) filed a complaint over Boeing’s 2009 decision to relocate a 787 assembly line from Washington state to North Charleston, SC. The case is currently being heard before an administrative law judge in Seatle.

By gutting the current law, the bill would grant immunity to corporations that closed, relocated or threatened to relocate jobs in retaliation for employees exercising their right to demand safe workplace, reasonable hours or fair benefits. The bill would retroactively apply to the current Boeing complaint while making it easier for companies to outsource American jobs to foreign countries

 

[UPNAWAY]

Boeing opening a new plant in South Carolina that is non union is pro jobs and pro workers. The NRLB board that Obama packed with communist labor leaders blocking it is pro union leadership and anti worker how can you not see that!

BTW Boeing having two plants, even if one is non union, benefits the Washington Union employees too in the long run but they are to uneducated in economics to realize that!

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

Boeing opening a new plant in South Carolina that is non union is pro jobs and pro workers. The NRLB board that Obama packed with communist labor leaders blocking it is pro union leadership and anti worker how can you not see that!

BTW Boeing having two plants, even if one is non union, benefits the Washington Union employees too in the long run but they are to uneducated in economics to realize that!

Having actually worked for Boeing.....I can tell you unequivocally, and first hand that Boeing far from pro-job or pro-worker. Boeing is PRO BOEING.
Ask the tens of thousand of technicians and engineers (even the ones they brought back out of retirement) they laid off 18 month later after bringing he NextGen 737 program back on schedule. They paid to move this people and put them up in company paid hotels just to get them there as soon as possible and at any cost. Turns out there was a catch.

18 mos later BA laid them ALL off - then sued the employees for the dollar value pf their "company paid" move to SEA and their temporary housing costs once they got them there. Thats real pro-worker. Are you sure Parker wasn't at Boeing in the mid 90s?

I also ran across this in Wall Street 24/7 that I thought had an interesting parallel to all this anti union-tea party blather that keeps coming up.

The top TEN poorest states in the country (See if you see the trend here - it's tricky):

Top Ten List....or Bottom as the case may be

10. North Carolina - Unemployment rate: 10.1% (9th highest) right to work state.
09. Alabama - Unemployment rate: 10.0% (10th highest) right to work state
08. Kentucky - Unemployment rate: 9.5% (13th highest)
07. South Carolina - Unemployment rate: 10.9% (4th highest)
06. Montana - Unemployment rate: 7.7% (18th lowest)
05. Louisiana - Unemployment rate: 7.6% (17th lowest)
04. West Virginia - Unemployment rate 8.1% (tied for 24th lowest)
03.Tennessee - Unemployment rate: 9.8% (11th highest)
02. Arkansas - 8.2% (25th highest)

and the number one poorest state in the union:

01. Mississippi Unemployment rate: 10.4% (7th highest actually look for someplace in MS to be our new HUB when it's cheaper than PHX.

Most if not all the state are "right to work" states..... Most if not all are "red" states......most if not all are on the verge of BK........how can that be?
So again what has the tea party and the anti labor movement done for these states?
Even with those nasty federal, aerospace, and automotive "union jobs in half of these states, with a republican majority that still are able to round out the top ten poorest states. Job well done.
Boeing "non-union" jobs are not going to fix that.

 

[700UW]

Actually mr anti-union, it wasnt the NLRB, it was an administrative law judge who found their was enough evidence to rule against Boeing.

Gee your wrong again, how could that be?

WSJ Article

And from the information I could find, he was Appointed by George Bush.

 

[SparrowHawk]

And interesting list. Here are a few more:

Unemployment Rates for States

1 NORTH DAKOTA - 3.5
2 NEBRASKA 4.2
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.7
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE 5.3
5 OKLAHOMA 5.6
6 WYOMING 5.8
7 VERMONT 5.9
8 IOWA 6.1
9 HAWAII 6.2
10 VIRGINIA 6.3

All but VT, NH & HI are right to work states.

Top 10 States for foreclosures

1: Nevada - Right to work state and home of uber liberal Harry Reid
2: Florida - Right to work state
3: California --
4: Arizona -- Right to work state
5: Idaho -- Right to work state
6: Michigan -
7: Illinois --
8: Utah -- Right to work state
9: Maryland --
10: New Jersey --


Top 20 best schools according to the Washington Post

1 Science/Engineering Magnet Dallas TX - Right to Work State
2 Talented and Gifted Dallas TX - Right to Work State
3 Corbett Charter Corbett OR
4 BASIS Tucson Tucson AZ - Right to Work State
5 Stanton College Prep Jacksonville FL
6 Jefferson County IB Birmingham AL
7 Suncoast Community Riviera Beach
8 Signature Evansville IN
9 S. Texas Med Tech San Benito TX - Right to Work State
10 City Honors Buffalo NY
11 Uplift Education North Hills Preparatory Irving TX - Right to Work State
12 Uplift Education Peak Preparatory Dallas TX - Right to Work State
13 Northcoast Prep and Performing Arts Academy Arcata CA
14 Carnegie Vanguard Houston TX - Right to Work State
15 Paxon School for Advanced Studies Jacksonville FL - Right to Work State
16 Corbett Corbett OR
17 New Explorations into Science, Tech, and Math New York NY
18 International School Bellevue WA
19 Oxford Academy, Cypress CA
20 Westlake Academy Westlake, TX - Right to Work State

Worst 10 states by SAT/ACT Scores

40 Nevada - Right to work state
41 Indiana
42 Delaware
43 Pennsylvania
44 Florida - Right to work state
45 Texas - Right to work state
46 New York
47 Georgia - Right to work state
48 South Carolina - Right to work state
49 Hawaii
50 Maine
51 DC

On almost every measure except unemployment it is unclear whether right to work laws inhibit the quality of life on a state by state basis. Of the states hardest hit by the recession CA, NV, FL & MI are equally divided between right to work and agency shop states. The cause and effect even in unemployment rates doesn't really seem to exist. The states with the lowest unemployment are waist deep in an energy boom so there the rates are skewed somewhat. However if the Empty Suit would permit drilling elsewhere then overall numbers would come down and balance the rates

 

[UPNAWAY]

The idea that many states are not right to work is well, un-American.

Freedom works.

 

[700UW]

Your unAmerican.

You can trace unionism to our founding fathers, they were called Guilds or Trade Guilds back in the 1700s.

Dont let history get in the way of your warped thinking.

Your losing the battle and the war, your misinformation shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Your unAmerican.

You can trace unionism to our founding fathers, they were called Guilds or Trade Guilds back in the 1700s.

Dont let history get in the way of your warped thinking.

Your losing the battle and the war, your misinformation shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.

Actually the guilds go back to medieval times, not to split a hair with you as your point is spot on.

However I don't like Government interference in what should be a private matter between Company and Labor.

 

[UPNAWAY]

Exactly there should be no law mandating closed shops and union membership they should compete on the free market.

And anything other than freedom of choice is un-American 700. Unfortunately we have way much less freedom and way more government because people who think like you do.


And how can I be losing the info battle when the majority of Americans agree with my point of view and private union memberships is 8% and falling. Obviously you have lost the battle and the war will be soon lost too!

 

[700UW]

So you want the minority oppressed?

And do you think a non-member should enjoy the benefits of a union negotiated CBA and representation without paying their fair share like the members do?

And if a person chooses a job thats a closed shop they know the ramifications before they are hired.

Please show me where in any of my posts that I have advocated the Government taking away rights or freedoms?

Do you realize people were killed, maimed, hurt, tortured, fired and left homeless in order for people to have the right to join a union?

Instead of posting lies and misinformation, why dont you actually take the time to educate yourself on facts and reality, instead of constantly ignoring the facts and truth that is out there.

 

[SparrowHawk]

So you want the minority oppressed?

And do you think a non-member should enjoy the benefits of a union negotiated CBA and representation without paying their fair share like the members do?

And if a person chooses a job thats a closed shop they know the ramifications before they are hired.

Please show me where in any of my posts that I have advocated the Government taking away rights or freedoms?

Do you realize people were killed, maimed, hurt, tortured, fired and left homeless in order for people to have the right to join a union?

Instead of posting lies and misinformation, why dont you actually take the time to educate yourself on facts and reality, instead of constantly ignoring the facts and truth that is out there.

Fact is you're already oppressed and stripped of your liberty as a union man. It's called in Aviation the Railway Labor Act (RLA). Answer me this:

Can you strike without government approval?
Do you have the ability to have secondary strikes?
How many rules and regulation hoops does the government make you go through in order to get to the point where you can go "Down on the Picket Line"
Are "Roving Pickets" permitted under RLA?
If you're not restricted then why does AFA have to resort to the CHAOS tactic instead of just walking out under their own steam?

You see organized Labor is a victim of a tyrannical Federal Government determined to pick winners and losers along the way. The push to pass a national right to work act is only part of the Governments attempt to marginalize the average Joe/Jane out of the political arena. A National Right to work law in a truly free society should never see the light of day.

Reason being is all of the other Labor laws shouldn't be there either, NMB, RLA, NLRB, etc, etc ad nausea all work against the common man. The only appropriate roll of Government in Labor/Management relations is to ensure that no one initiates force against another.

You can't advocate the Government taking your rights because they're already gone. You gave them up during the Great Depression when FDR seized the opportunity to crush unions under restrictive rules and agencies which we have today, Yet Trumka and the boys keep shoveling the Back Bench Junior Senator from IL posing as President gobs upon gobs of money. For What?