Remember this in 2005? Union leaders bad or good?

[700UW]

The NMB has to release you, the IAM and other Airline and Railroad unions have tried to change it many times over the years, the RLA was set up to protect interstate commerce, not workers.

Yes at US the employees have it in every CBA that you dont have to cross a sanctioned picket line and the company cannot discipline you for it, and the AFA took it to arbitration and won .

Too many regulations for a strike under the RLA and picket lines are covered by each municipality local laws.

Roving picket lines are permitted as long as you have a permit.

CHAOS can only be done after the 30 day cooling off period is over and CHAOS prevents the company from hiring replacement workers as they dont know what flight would be struck.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The NMB has to release you, the IAM and other Airline and Railroad unions have tried to change it many times over the years, the RLA was set up to protect interstate commerce, not workers.

Yes at US the employees have it in every CBA that you dont have to cross a sanctioned picket line and the company cannot discipline you for it, and the AFA took it to arbitration and won .

Too many regulations for a strike under the RLA and picket lines are covered by each municipality local laws.

Roving picket lines are permitted as long as you have a permit.

CHAOS can only be done after the 30 day cooling off period is over and CHAOS prevents the company from hiring replacement workers as they dont know what flight would be struck.

So you admit the government has stolen your liberty

 

[700UW]

Nope, since the the RLA was written in 1926 to stop all the wildcat railroad strikes, and amended in 1937 to cover airlines it was a liberty I never had. It was illegal to join a union until the RLA was passed.

And I blame big business as they control the government and the laws enacted, the Airlines and Railroads fight anytime the unions want to amend the RLA to make it more level.

Why did the airlines and the ATA oppose the NMB when they made the unionization process just like the NLRA and majority rules?

What election in this country counts a non-voter as a "NO" vote?

We are not democracy, we are a republic.

 

[UPNAWAY]

Government is tyranny, so we should have absolutely the minimum amount necessary and nothing more. In a truly free market we could see our standard of living quadrupedal in 25 years if we got government and collectivism out of the way of the American individual and let freedom reign.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Collectivists?

I just had a Joe McCarthy flashback.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Government is tyranny, so we should have absolutely the minimum amount necessary and nothing more. In a truly free market we could see our standard of living quadrupedal in 25 years if we got government and collectivism out of the way of the American individual and let freedom reign.

In order for you statement to be valid you must acknowledge that the standard of living you enjoy today is due to those who struggled in the coal fields, textiles & steels mills and sewing factories that built this nation. We owe our lifestyle to those who have gone before.

What unions don't or won't grasp is this. The government regulations were designed to protect big business from the power of we the people. Frankly it's a numbers game. 10,000 union men against a Coal Operator? Union wins, pure and simple. Donate to FDR and get the RLA, NLRB etc, etc and your power as a union just went in the crapper.

 

[usfliboi]

Nope, since the the RLA was written in 1926 to stop all the wildcat railroad strikes, and amended in 1937 to cover airlines it was a liberty I never had. It was illegal to join a union until the RLA was passed.

And I blame big business as they control the government and the laws enacted, the Airlines and Railroads fight anytime the unions want to amend the RLA to make it more level.

Why did the airlines and the ATA oppose the NMB when they made the unionization process just like the NLRA and majority rules?

What election in this country counts a non-voter as a "NO" vote?

We are not democracy, we are a republic.

My friend... The proud men and women who made up the union you speak of in terms of history no longer exists!!!!!!!!! Todays unions are 99 percent politics... It..they are gone forever... The US Post office is a prime example of how unions do not work anymore. Dont let the facts get in your way...The real facts not yours!

 

[SparrowHawk]

My friend... The proud men and women who made up the union you speak of in terms of history no longer exists!!!!!!!!! Todays unions are 99 percent politics... It..they are gone forever... The US Post office is a prime example of how unions do not work anymore. Dont let the facts get in your way...The real facts not yours!

Sadly the union movement is dying a slow painful death. Mostly because they are Dinosaurs and have steadfastly refused to change tactics. Much like post WWI French military strategy of building the Maginot Line to defend against future German invasions. So Hitler went through Holland and Belgium into France where no fortifications were. Union leaders are France and the corporations are Germany.
Ubions have been operating out of the same Playbook they used during the WV Coalfield Wars in the 1920's. Corporation's OTOH have used their political clout to have the so called friends of Labor enact such laws as the Railway Labor Act to be "Fair". Fair to whom? Well boys follow the money and the money sure as balls didn't come from the UMW of A or the USW of A. No, it come from the money guys looking for an advantage which FDR was all to happy to give them. The unions bought the whole line of bullshite, hook line and sinker and ensured their ultimate demise. Once the laws were passed outlawing secondary strikes and prohibition of any strikes under certain circumstances the Labor movement was toast.

Since unions NEVER changed their strategy and tactics it created a cottage industry for our ever creative legal community. The Union Buster Attorney. Jerry Glass is merely one of a cadre of highly specialized attorneys whose sole reason to exist is to crush unions by any means necessary. Union buster attorneys will break the labor laws with impunity as they know a group, say FA's don't have the financial resources to fight back. How so you think DL stayed non union?

Look right here at the pilot situation and the millions of dollars in personal wealth that has been squandered. Not due to the company's actions but due to the arcane and asinine Labor laws designed to hamstring Labor under the guise of making it "Fair", which as flawed is as concept as rules in a knife fight. In the modern global economy, organized Labor has about the same chance of growing and winning better wages as Custer did at Little Big Horn.

When it comes to government, less is more!

Less Government = Freedom from wage slavery
Less Government = Freedom to organize by any means necessary
Less Government = Freedom to strike whenever you like
Less Government = Freedom to organize secondary strikes
Less Government = Freedom to be completely stupid and strike yourself right out of a job because the company is no longer economically viable.

The last one is the one unions get hung up on as they work on the convoluted notion that business conditions never change and ergo their CBA's must never change. Anyone who can fog a mirror knows the only constant in business is change and that is accelerating this very minute.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

he US Post office is a prime example of how unions do not work anymore. Dont let the facts get in your way...The real facts not yours!

As much as many people like to bash the USPS, I think that it does pretty well. My Netflix DVDs are always on time. And for $0.44 cents, someone will come to my driveway and pick up a birthday card, and my friend at the other end of the country will get it in three days. That is pretty good, IMHO.

 

[UPNAWAY]

As much as many people like to bash the USPS, I think that it does pretty well. My Netflix DVDs are always on time. And for $0.44 cents, someone will come to my driveway and pick up a birthday card, and my friend at the other end of the country will get it in three days. That is pretty good, IMHO.

Spoken like a true economic genius typical of union members. You do realize the post office does all that pretty good stuff at over a billion dollars a quarter loss!


I hope you, 700 and the rest of the liberalism is best crowed are watching the Republican debate tonight, you might actually learn something about economics, freedom and the proper roll of government.

 

[700UW]

What economics?

This mess we are in was created by Bush, Republican economics screw everyone except the working class.

How is Bachmann gonna make gas $2 a gallon?

How is Social Security a ponzi scheme?

And trickle down economics doesnt work, dont piss on me and tell me its raining.

Bush takes office, with surplus, leaves with record deficits, yep they right sure does know economics dont they?

 

[UPNAWAY]

SS is a ponzi scheme it always requires more new money coming in. It doesn't pay you with your saved and invested money it pays you with the new guys money. It is a classic ponzi. It should be eliminated and replaced with mandatory private retirement accounts.

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[700UW]

Once again you fail to address the issue and try to attack and insult, so mature.

And I have been on the Negotiating Committee during BK II, I know what I am doing, do you?

And I guess you all are still mad at the $15 million arbitration I won for the IAM.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Spoken like a true economic genius typical of union members. You do realize the post office does all that pretty good stuff at over a billion dollars a quarter loss!


I hope you, 700 and the rest of the liberalism is best crowed are watching the Republican debate tonight, you might actually learn something about economics, freedom and the proper roll of government.

Having interacted with the USPS they are as DCMS stated very efficient. If and I stress IF you had clue one beyond a Rick Perry talking point you'd know that the USPS's most profitable product, the first class letter has been declining in volume for many years due to technology like e-mail. Further their highest volume of revenue which is 3rd class magazines and direct mail is also declining.

Take this and the political reality of not being able to close small unprofitable Post Offices like a truly private business would and you have the current state of affairs and the reality is that it's an absolute miracle the losses aren't ten fold what they are. Unlike any other quasi governmental agency is the USPS has responded to market forces and is attempting to compete for higher margin package delivery options.

There are many agencies in the Federal Government to heap criticism upon. The USPS is NOT among them and when you attack them it demonstrates your utter lack of knowledge.

 

[Kev3188]

As much as many people like to bash the USPS, I think that it does pretty well. My Netflix DVDs are always on time. And for $0.44 cents, someone will come to my driveway and pick up a birthday card, and my friend at the other end of the country will get it in three days. That is pretty good, IMHO.

Absolutely.

Spoken like a true economic genius typical of union members. You do realize the post office does all that pretty good stuff at over a billion dollars a quarter loss!


I hope you, 700 and the rest of the liberalism is best crowed are watching the Republican debate tonight, you might actually learn something about economics, freedom and the proper roll of government.

Are you glossing over the "economic lesson" that the USPS doesn't rely on any taxpayer funding?

How 'bout the fact that while they don't rely on the taxpayer dollar, they are restricted in what they can/cannot do by the federal government? In '06, Congress passed a law requiring the USPS to wholly pre-fund it's retiree health care. That's 100%, in advance. Do you know any other government agency-or private business- of similar size that has to do that?

SS is a ponzi scheme it always requires more new money coming in. It doesn't pay you with your saved and invested money it pays you with the new guys money. It is a classic ponzi. It should be eliminated and replaced with mandatory private retirement accounts.

700 I am surprised you can balance a check book, you couldn't pass an 8th grade economics course you brainwashed simpleton!

You might me taken more seriously if just once you could step away from the pre-packaged talking points, and come up with an original thought. BTW, I'm curious; so you talk a lot about privatization, yet advocate replacing one mandatory system with another?

As for the attack on 700, a personal attack is a clear sign of lack of a reason-based rebuttal. Try again.

Having interacted with the USPS they are as DCMS stated very efficient. If and I stress IF you had clue one beyond a Rick Perry talking point you'd know that the USPS's most profitable product, the first class letter has been declining in volume for many years due to technology like e-mail. Further their highest volume of revenue which is 3rd class magazines and direct mail is also declining.

Take this and the political reality of not being able to close small unprofitable Post Offices like a truly private business would and you have the current state of affairs and the reality is that it's an absolute miracle the losses aren't ten fold what they are. Unlike any other quasi governmental agency is the USPS has responded to market forces and is attempting to compete for higher margin package delivery options.

There are many agencies in the Federal Government to heap criticism upon. The USPS is NOT among them and when you attack them it demonstrates your utter lack of knowledge.

Agree with all of that, though I'd make the argument that rural offices are actually contributing to the economic engine of small town America. What I'd like to see is taking some of those offices , an co-locating them with other buildings in town.