Retirement requirements

[700UW]

Only in a union environment do work groups general hate each other. Even if they are both union go figure. In the "real world" most people just go to work do their jobs, help each other out regardless of job or title and go home content, the stuff you waste your energy and mind on are truly sad.

The vast majority of unions must have an adversarial relationship these days to keep the sheeple in line. Otherwise the rank and file may question why all the union seems to do is support socialist politicians and anti worker policies.

You are a not paying attention than. Not been watching the OSW movement which is not only socialist but communist and certainly anti-jobs and unions have been right there with them leading the charge. They supported Obama the most job killing POTUS in US history despite his close ties and upbringing surrounded by socialist and communist. Your a fool if you think the modern union political movement is a friend of workers or Americans at all. Why have unions become the single biggest environmentalist in the US next to the far left wackos? Deep seeded concern for the planet? No of course not, they take positions diametrically opposed to their memberships best interest for political purposes only!
Baa, baa, baa!
Pay your dues, march when they tell you , chant your slogans that rhyme and otherwise keep your head in the sand.
What is it like to be an adult that has never thought for yourself?

How is that any different then you mindless, senseless, slogan regurgitating unionista's bashing everything the company does, even when they do something obviously well or correct?

I think this is enough to prove my point.

 

[700UW]

I do not believe that PFAA and AMFA have any affiliation?

The pilots flew over your picket line, that has nothing to do with anything, the pilots flew over the Air Traffic Controllers also.

They were both run by Kevin McCormick and were affilated with each other.

read this

Northwest Responds To PFAA
Re: ´Dues Check-Off´
In a letter written to the PFAA on June 11th, Northwest Airlines told PFAA´s Executive Administrator Kevin McCormick that there would be no ´Union Shop´ or ´Dues Check Off´ provisions in the agreement should PFAA win the representational election.

This is significant because it means the PFAA would not be able to collect members´ dues from Northwest paychecks the way it is currently done without having to enter negotiations with the Company. Without a new agreement it is unknown how PFAA would collect dues from its members or pay its mounting campaign costs.Kevin McCormick is PFAA´s ´Executive Administrator´ and operates the McCormick Advisory Group, a for-profit real estate management firm based in Laconia, New Hampshire. In recent years, McCormick has orchestrated ´raids´ on a number of unions throughout the country so that his firm can supply and profit from what he refers to as ´administrative services´.

 

[Buck]

They were both run by Kevin McCormick and were affilated with each other.

read this

No where in your dated link does the word affiliated appear. A outside paid advisor does. I think that is more like the TWU hiring the Gordian Group.

I still find no affiliation between AMFA and the PFAA.

 

[767 mechanic]

The said work was all ready in the IAM FSA CBA, and removed from the AMFA CBA upon imposition of the Final Offer.

And your pilots flew over your picket line, and the PFAA, AMFA's sister union even flew over your picket line as did the IBT represented pilots at Champion Air.

You can say whatever you want,but when the AMFA kicked the iam off the property it was considered mechanic and related work and AMFA members were doing the deicing. The AMFA members were doing the deicing until they went on strike and then the iam cut the deal with NWA to do the work as long as they got to keep the work after the strike was over. When the strike was over NWA stuck in the iams backside and outsourced the work. So was the iam doing scab work or were they just unable to keep their work? I tell you the answer they were doing scab work. You are trying to be deceptive in your statement about it being in the iam cba. Don't avoid the question. Who was doing the deicing at the time that the AMFA went on strike? If NWA and the iam would not have put them on the eligibility to vote during the AMFA drive the work might have stayed with the iam,but that did not happen

 

[700UW]

NW flew into hundreds of cities in the US, yet there wasnt maintenance at every station, so who performed the work?

The work was all ready in the FSA CBA where it didnt conflict where maintenance was, that is a fact.

And when NW imposed its final offer the work was removed from the CBA and fell under Fleet.

 

[jimntx]

This may be a new record even for airlineforums.com. Three pages of posts and NOT ONE POST addresses the ostensible topic of the thread. The desire to rehash old history and attack one another is alive and well on this forum.

P.S. To the OP, since all pension plans at AMR currently are Defined Benefit Plans covered under Federal law, a member becomes vested at 5 years of service. Once you have the age (as I do) you can retire at any time and draw a pension. However, to receive retiree benefits--such as, retiree travel and medical--you have to have 10 years on the payroll. I started flying for AA on 9/7/2000, but because I was furloughed from 7/2/2003 until 11/17/2004, I do not get my 10 years on the payroll until tonight at midnight. (My "adjusted" company seniority date is 1/24/2002.) So, starting tomorrow I can retire with benefits. If I had retired before tomorrow, I would be called a pensioner by AMR. I would receive my Federally-mandated pension (of less than $400/month), but no other benefits.

Now, there is at least one post addressing the thread topic.

 

[UPNAWAY]

Thank you Jim that sound comparable to US. We have a 65 point plan for flight benefits. Years + age must equal 65 with 10 years of service.


BTW, 700 thanks for posting my quotes. Makes me look like a sane and reasoning individual.

 

[tech2101]

Ok, do did AMFA the "craft" union have much success at NW?

Nope got their butts handed to them on a silver platter.

You really need some new material. Your scab union IAM rhetoric is stale.

Back on topic:

What is the OP actually looking for here?

 

[tech2101]

NW flew into hundreds of cities in the US, yet there wasnt maintenance at every station, so who performed the work?

The work was all ready in the FSA CBA where it didnt conflict where maintenance was, that is a fact.

And when NW imposed its final offer the work was removed from the CBA and fell under Fleet.

While I walked the picket line, less than 8 hours after I went on strike, my fellow employee IAM rampers were doing the job I did the previous shift. If that is not a scab, then there is no such thing.

 

[700UW]

Did NW impose a new CBA for maintenance?

Did the IAM FSA CBA contain language for ancillary duties?

And who did the work at stations where there was no maintenance, as I would say there was more non-mtc stations than mtc.