rotating reserve

[flightattend21]

Agreed, but those airlines have *always* had the rotation..... Can we sell it here? I am doubtful, but willing to try.... Hmm.....

Yes and we used to wear short shorts and boots (not me lol senior people) and we did not hire men. Lawsuits change the system why cant we change this? because people say "can't, oh we don't do ect" come people wake up stop saying can't and start flooding MIKE FLORES and his cronies. the company too let them know how unhappy we are what can be done to better the company just think the planes would be staffed if we acutally had lines instead of 200 open trips daily.

 

[rsv4ever]

Yes and we used to wear short shorts and boots (not me lol senior people) and we did not hire men. Lawsuits change the system why cant we change this? because people say "can't, oh we don't do ect" come people wake up stop saying can't and start flooding MIKE FLORES and his cronies. the company too let them know how unhappy we are what can be done to better the company just think the planes would be staffed if we acutally had lines instead of 200 open trips daily.

the concept of covering 25, 50, 100 or however many open time trips the day before is awful planning. every trip that could be in a block, should be in a block. when you ask MF about more blocks or rotating reserve at these union meetings, he circles the questions more than airplanes circle philly in a thunderstorm! hey... look at that... MF's initials are an acronym! interesting

 

[Twicebaked]

Well, whatever the case we need to step on it NOW!!!

The nego committee obviously presented the company with something already and it wasn't rotating. I think someone needs to get a hold of Pat Friend and stop this part and get our voices heard before it goes any further.

I am sure the survey that was put out shows how much rotation was wanted.

Where are those results anyway?????

 

[FlightChic]

We need a rotating reserve! It is only fair for us straight reserves and for those who go back and forth during the winter and summer months! I refuse to be a straight reserve for the next 15 years!

Mike Flores if you are reading this here is a message for you:
Have you ever heard the phrase "United We Stand Divided We Fall"? Well the reserves are pissed and we are becoming very, very united. We are angry because you and CA and the rest of your cronies continue to misrepresent us and constantly stick up for your senior BH friends. What have you done for us to relieve us of this horrid reserve system? That's right! Nothing! You don't care and we know it. So, just know that we will be taking this up with Pat Friend, and don't be surprised if someone is organizing to have dues withheld and if you get sued you can't say that you didn't see this coming! We aren't going to put up with this BS any longer so you better be making some changes. We know you don't support a rotating reserve system because you don't think your senior friends would go for it. When you say "our membership will never go for it" it makes me think that you are weak, that you are a quitter. I don't like quitters! You never even attempted it. Therefore, you're a quitter. That's what it looks like in my eyes anyway. This also tells me that you don't care. You know you don't care and you have no qualms about telling us to our faces that you don't care. If you cared you would try your very hardest to help us out, but you don't. We know it and you know. How do you sleep at night knowing you have thousands of people who hate you? Does it make you feel good knowing this is due to your own actions, or rather lack of actions to help us? Also, why do you circle around our questions. When someone asks you something, you should respond and be straight forward with the answer, not beat around the bush and avoid answering the question. Again, WEAK, WEAK, WEAK! This person, my friends is negotiating a contract on our behalf. Don't even get me started on his side kick, the woman behind the curtain...

 

[beachboy]

Let me just suggest you guys to save your breath with Pat Friend. Like the woman or not her job is not to police the locals or any airline in AFA. Her job it to run the institution on a national level and bring in new members. She is a political animal so to speak. This is a quote from Pat Friend "I don't get involved in local business". And trust me she WON'T. AFA International could give a flying flip about US Airways Reserves and their plight in life. It's a hard but simple fact. Each of you needs to take a really hard look at how the entire system is structured. You need to ask yourself who is "in charge"? Who holds the power" What is a roll call vote and who holds the most power in that? Who elects the MEC (aka Mike, Deb, Buddy and Carol)? It not the people you might think. It's all right here at www.afanet.org/cb/
That is the only language they understand and your best tool to make changes. It's all right there at your fingertips. How to recall an officer and call special meetings ect. If you withheld dues and it went to court the judge would look at everyone say "Did you follow these steps in the bylaws to correct the process"? Then there are the upcoming elections. IMO that is the key. So, I said it before no one here is helpless but the right avenues have to be followed. It's not easy by any stretch but doable. The people in office now know how hard it is and have the sense they are untouchable.

 

[N109UW]

You need to ask yourself who is "in charge"? Who holds the power" What is a roll call vote and who holds the most power in that? Who elects the MEC (aka Mike, Deb, Buddy and Carol)?

Roll call vote is what all of our LEC's did, in voting to give our profit sharing to the America West side. Check the records. They don't talk about that vote very often. The less you know, the better off they are. That's how it works.

 

[bootRiggle]

The time has come for this issue to be SERIOUSLY looked at. We cannot, as Union Members, continue to remain aloof to the plight of OUR RESERVE F/As. I am not comfortable with Brother and Sister Union Members making poverty wages or working 25 days a month to make a decent income. Additionally, we cannot expect them to be comfortable with the current Reserve System year, after year, after year, after year,.......Reserve F/As are dues paying members of our Union and they pay for representation from our Union Leaders.

I urge Mike Flores, as our leader, to reconsider his position and to seriously consider a ROTATING RESERVE SYSTEM!

Agreed!

I hope MF and CA are listening.

 

[jimntx]

Well, if it's any consolation to the reserves, we have the same attitude at AA. I.E, "Reserve was crap when I was on it; so, it has to remain crap for you." Or, "I agree. Your situation is awful and the company and the union must do something to improve the conditions for reserves--as long as it doesn't inconvenience me in any way, any time, anywhere."

The reserve system we have here at AA is just about the best of the major airlines. One month on, One month off reserve for the first 3 years; then, reserve 3 times/year (every 4th month) until you get enough seniority to be totally off reserve. The number of years it takes to get off reserve completely varies by base. It's one of the reasons that people are glad to see some more furloughees recalled. Traditionally at LGA, you were totally off reserve by 2-4 years (depending on how many people were being hired)--certainly nothing longer than 6 years. Lately, reserve has been going to 15+ years even at LGA because there was no one left on the active list with less than 5 years. At DFW, it goes over 20 on certain months. (BTW, it may be possible to get put back on reserve for a single month during the year--just depends on staffing.)

You can bid on to reserve early to change your reserve rotation; however, if you are very junior and you bid on to a rotation that does not serve reserve in Nov. or Dec., you may get bumped off that rotation by people senior to you bidding on to reserve in your reserve month. If you bid on to reserve during a vacation month, it does not count as one of your reserve rotations for the year.

Frontier Airlines has the best. "Reserves" are allowed access to Open Time (uncovered trips) and can plot their own trips on a first-come, first-served basis--what we call Availability or Open Replacement at AA. If you don't voluntarily plot a trip for yourself, then crew scheduling can plot one for you. Wouldn't that be wonderful to have that much control over your life on reserve?

 

[N109UW]

Frontier Airlines has the best. "Reserves" are allowed access to Open Time (uncovered trips) and can plot their own trips on a first-come, first-served basis--what we call Availability or Open Replacement at AA. If you don't voluntarily plot a trip for yourself, then crew scheduling can plot one for you. Wouldn't that be wonderful to have that much control over your life on reserve?

We used to. One of the major problems with our old system though was too much control. We had f/a's who passed every time sched. called them and tried not to fly. If you don't want to freakin be here, then leave. Let a furlough f/a come back and work. I have never understood that. I understood passing for a doctors, dentist, kids was sick, but we had alot of f/a who didn't want to work at all and just wanted the free money. That became a major problem. They would come on your trip(if by chance they somehow ended up flying) and just complain. "God, I can't believe they want me to work" I would say, "Then quit", response was " I can't, I want the free money". Yep, glad your here. That attitude was very evident to our pax also. It was always the same people. They cost the company over $3,000,000 plus benefits per year. The union wouldn't even think of getting rid of these people, because that was less money. Bodies are money to a union, that is why you still se people here, who we all know should be gone.

 

[flightattend21]

Well, if it's any consolation to the reserves, we have the same attitude at AA. I.E, "Reserve was crap when I was on it; so, it has to remain crap for you." Or, "I agree. Your situation is awful and the company and the union must do something to improve the conditions for reserves--as long as it doesn't inconvenience me in any way, any time, anywhere."

The reserve system we have here at AA is just about the best of the major airlines. One month on, One month off reserve for the first 3 years; then, reserve 3 times/year (every 4th month) until you get enough seniority to be totally off reserve. The number of years it takes to get off reserve completely varies by base. It's one of the reasons that people are glad to see some more furloughees recalled. Traditionally at LGA, you were totally off reserve by 2-4 years (depending on how many people were being hired)--certainly nothing longer than 6 years. Lately, reserve has been going to 15+ years even at LGA because there was no one left on the active list with less than 5 years. At DFW, it goes over 20 on certain months. (BTW, it may be possible to get put back on reserve for a single month during the year--just depends on staffing.)

You can bid on to reserve early to change your reserve rotation; however, if you are very junior and you bid on to a rotation that does not serve reserve in Nov. or Dec., you may get bumped off that rotation by people senior to you bidding on to reserve in your reserve month. If you bid on to reserve during a vacation month, it does not count as one of your reserve rotations for the year.

Frontier Airlines has the best. "Reserves" are allowed access to Open Time (uncovered trips) and can plot their own trips on a first-come, first-served basis--what we call Availability or Open Replacement at AA. If you don't voluntarily plot a trip for yourself, then crew scheduling can plot one for you. Wouldn't that be wonderful to have that much control over your life on reserve?

You see that would be too much for USAIR it would be too reasonable so it would not make sense. as long as we are paying our dues the union thyer could care less. we have brought it up to the union to look at other airlines. his response has always been "no cant do that" b/h wont hear of it. he doesn no think about junior people. Just what he and his cronies can make. you should see the reserve lines we get 2 days, 2 days 2 days then 5 days off. but im sure that will change when b/h cant drop trips.

 

[jimntx]

We used to. One of the major problems with our old system though was too much control. We had f/a's who passed every time sched. called them and tried not to fly.

Frontier does not allow you to "pass" on an assignment if you are a reserve (nor does AA). Trips are assigned pretty much on the basis of the f/a with the least amount of hours and is legal for the trip gets the longest trip in Open time. BTW, I agree with your observation that if you don't want to fly, please get the heck out of the FLIGHT attendant field.

 

[flightattend21]

Let me just suggest you guys to save your breath with Pat Friend. Like the woman or not her job is not to police the locals or any airline in AFA. Her job it to run the institution on a national level and bring in new members. She is a political animal so to speak. This is a quote from Pat Friend "I don't get involved in local business". And trust me she WON'T. AFA International could give a flying flip about US Airways Reserves and their plight in life. It's a hard but simple fact. Each of you needs to take a really hard look at how the entire system is structured. You need to ask yourself who is "in charge"? Who holds the power" What is a roll call vote and who holds the most power in that? Who elects the MEC (aka Mike, Deb, Buddy and Carol)? It not the people you might think. It's all right here at www.afanet.org/cb/
That is the only language they understand and your best tool to make changes. It's all right there at your fingertips. How to recall an officer and call special meetings ect. If you withheld dues and it went to court the judge would look at everyone say "Did you follow these steps in the bylaws to correct the process"? Then there are the upcoming elections. IMO that is the key. So, I said it before no one here is helpless but the right avenues have to be followed. It's not easy by any stretch but doable. The people in office now know how hard it is and have the sense they are untouchable.

the letter would not just go to her but to all the office's. She can be copied in since she sends out letters about other airlines. Number two - about union dues if you go through the process a lawyer with all the legal paperwork a judge would certainly look at it. The lawyer's speciality is the union (how to fight) so he would go through all the steps. So I don't know where you got the idea that it is something that cannot be done. As far as recalling the lot of them YES they should be recalled for numberous reasons. MF being top of the list. I want to send you an email that i got if it is ok with you - its about the Jan res lines let me know and I will send you the union response (im sure you will get a kick out of it since you were at the meeting)

 

[N109UW]

Frontier does not allow you to "pass" on an assignment if you are a reserve (nor does AA). Trips are assigned pretty much on the basis of the f/a with the least amount of hours and is legal for the trip gets the longest trip in Open time. BTW, I agree with your observation that if you don't want to fly, please get the heck out of the FLIGHT attendant field.

Rsv f/a's abused "pass sick"( which we had along time ago) and they got rid of that. Rsv f/a's abused passing. and they got rid of that. We brought part of this on ourselves. Insted of getting rid of the abusers, they tried to make them fly. All they did was take the buyout and flight options and leave. Whichi left the rest of us with this LTO system. Now none of us get our time in. As of today, no CLT rsv has broken minimum guarantee. By the end of the day, a few might go over, as the LTO is updated after your flights.

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> Rsv f/a's abused passing. and they got rid of that.

How was passing being abused in the old system?

 

[N109UW]

How was passing being abused in the old system?

"rsv passing is not intended to give rsv f/a's additional days off" People would pass for the highest % of what they would not get(EX 2E, or all-nighter). They would flat out tell you, "I don't want to work, but I like getting free money. The company knew there was a problem, but when pushed on defining a "day off", it came down to the one thing that you Can legally do on a day off, as apposed to an on-duty day, drink alcohol. So when it came time to change the system, this is what we got. The company was not going to let f/a's get away with not working and paying them 71 hours plus benny's. My LEC in CLT told me that. That is when I proposed "limited passing" or no passing, or just having a round table meeting to gather ideas from all of us who had been on rsv for 14 years(at that time). He didn't want to be proactive about it, just like now. Guess what? He was voted out and now, isn't even with the company.