rotating reserve

[EMBFA]

It wouldn't surprise me that some folks could qualify for food stamps.

The F/As that were furloughed or pay frozen at MDA are eligible for food stamps, section 8 housing, and other government aid dependant on their circumstances. Poverty is considered $10,000 for a single person, $20,000 for a family. Our most junior F/As -that would be 8 years- made about 19 or 20 in 2007 with no ETB.

 

[PHL BULL]

i don't feel bad for the company with yesterdays recorded update- 250 trips to cover... i sat here and laughed. there should never have been that many trips to have to cover in the first place. those 250 trips could have been put into lines.

will you laugh when the only line you hold will be the unempolyment one, think on the big picture...call floyd in CS and get youself a nice trip

 

[rsv4ever]

will you laugh when the only line you hold will be the unempolyment one, think on the big picture...call floyd in CS and get youself a nice trip

i got myself a nice trip... and yes, i WILL laugh on the unemployment line because all of the senior bh's- their 30 or 40 years won't mean crapola when they're standing on line next to me. i'll prob make more money on unemployement that i make working reserve.

 

[Career Reserve]

The AFA needs to hire Teddy X as a consultant, she would be the best at fixing the problems, and Glass and Hemenway would crap their pants when she walked in the room.

LOL That would be a fair fight! And I would never b*tch about my Union dues going up because it would be money well spent.

 

[EMBFA]

will you laugh when the only line you hold will be the unempolyment one, think on the big picture...call floyd in CS and get youself a nice trip

Wow, that's a "manly" way of looking at things... we can see you fall for the liqudation threat every time there's a vote. What, no pilot career to fall back on? If this place fails it's because it deserved too, if you can't find starting pay equal to what you make now you're a real sad case. You could always go back to school to be an interior decorator, florist, or hairstylist though.

 

[PHL BULL]

Wow, that's a "manly" way of looking at things... we can see you fall for the liqudation threat every time there's a vote. What, no pilot career to fall back on? If this place fails it's because it deserved too, if you can't find starting pay equal to what you make now you're a real sad case. You could always go back to school to be an interior decorator, florist, or hairstylist though.

yes I could...yes I could with the 65 rule I may get back into flyin...I am good with interior decor I have gay friends for that, hairstyle na not my thing, think I will bid RSV fly 40 and dbl my hr rate...that's main line co pilot pay w/bennys not to bad...im here for the fun...now are you and flightchic stuck here? I like to have fun...who is the REAL sad case?

 

[FlightChic]

yes I could...yes I could with the 65 rule I may get back into flyin...I am good with interior decor I have gay friends for that, hairstyle na not my thing, think I will bid RSV fly 40 and dbl my hr rate...that's main line co pilot pay w/bennys not to bad...im here for the fun...now are you and flightchic stuck here? I like to have fun...who is the REAL sad case?

Sorry to burst your bubble but I am here to have fun too! I could leave this job today and have a new one with much higher pay within a week. I love getting paid to travel and have fun and not even have to work for a paycheck since I get an automatic 73 hours. Who wouldn't want to get paid for work you never did? Don't look at me like I'm a sad case. I have my life in order.

 

[2clippedwings]

I have read this whole thread. Alot of points have been brought up that make sense, and alot doesn't. The fact the reserve system is what it is, can be brought back to the original contract language that DIDN'T provide a swing back to original language if other certain language is not implemented. IE if preferential bidding wasn't implemented within a certain time. The original bidding system would have swung back into effect. Its a way the union would be able to guarantee the company would hold there end of the bargin.

Having snap back language only protects what you negotiate. It is a shame the RES system is what it is. Once again the negtiators of past contracts didn't look far enough ahead to see how neglected negotiated items would effect it's membership.

I have also seen posts on here that basically stated "Senior" flight attendants seem they are entitled to the perks of years of service. I have to agree with that statement. If I have been working for a company for as long as I have, I too feel I should get what is coming to me. Granted I never worked under the present RES system, however, I was a reserve at one time also. People at my seniority who were original US before the PSA and PIA mergers had there pay remain stagnent while the other airlines where brought up to our pay scale, then obliterated by BK's. It is a matter of what is important to each of us that comes into play.

Negotiating a contract that is viable, approvable, and prosperous is the only way ALL flight attendants would feel comfortable with their working environment. The sad part is you would never be able to negotiate a contract pleasing everyone about everything. People in general will find fault in everything, all the time. It is human nature. Now, to the nitty gritty. Would I vote "FOR", a floating RES system....... Absolutely NO...... The whole premise of any contract is to provide protection for the system of "Date of Hire". If you in any way take away the strength of this agenda, you erode it's relivance. This is why in all contracts you award seniority with the perks of years of service (ie: pay, vacation, etc).

DOH is the foundation of all AFA's unionized contracts. Changing the RES system by making a BH'er fly floating RES is not the answer. Providing a solid foundation of contract language the company and union can agree to, is. The present system doen't work. Fact... Negotiate one that does... Better...

Just my opinion...

What's YOUR idea of "better"?
I agree seniority has to mean something but if rotating reserve works at other carriers and if it would make a more equitable solution (not perfect), then why not entertain it?
There shouldn't need to be any give backs to make this work. AlCarlos is a flamebaiter.

"Then there are the upcoming elections. IMO that is the key."
Absolutely. That IS the key. Rally the f/a's in the controlling local. Time to flex some muscle.

Remarkable, isn't it, that to get the leadership to even legitimately consider reserve issues as important that you have to threaten to throw someone out of office? Pitiful actually.

 

[2clippedwings]

yes I could...yes I could with the 65 rule I may get back into flyin...I am good with interior decor I have gay friends for that, hairstyle na not my thing, think I will bid RSV fly 40 and dbl my hr rate...that's main line co pilot pay w/bennys not to bad...im here for the fun...now are you and flightchic stuck here? I like to have fun...who is the REAL sad case?

Gotta tell you....I think you are.
You don't make any sense?!?! :blink:

 

[EMBFA]

are you and flightchic stuck here? I like to have fun...who is the REAL sad case?

Hang on, let me run a checklist... am I fat? No. Do I lie about my job because I'm insecure? No. Am I middle-aged making a sad, half-assed attempt at a career change? No... Do I lack the ability to even come up with interesting responses? Nope...

I guess it's you then!

FlightChic and I are off to enjoy our young lives. Have a great 2008, and try not to confuse that cheesesteak with your deodorant again!

😀

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

"....and try not to confuse that cheesesteak with your deodorant again!"



That is poetry for this board!

If I knew how to use an emoticon I would give you a big thumbs up/smiley face.

Good on ya!

 

[jimntx]

"Then there are the upcoming elections. IMO that is the key."
Absolutely. That IS the key. Rally the f/a's in the controlling local. Time to flex some muscle.

To use an old, trite, but true, expression, You just hit the nail on the head. The reason f/a union leaders ignore most members is because they know that most of those f/as will not even bother to vote in the next election. Apathy is like a genetic thing among f/as, at almost any airline.

If the junior f/as who have to go through this hell (and as far as I can tell, at LCC, junior is a VERY relative term) would get together, back a candidate, and VOTE for that candidate, you might find you have more power than you thought.

But then, if LCC f/as are anything like my fellow f/as at AA, complaining about the situation is much more popular than doing something about it.

 

[NoMoreKoolAid]

Let me just suggest you guys to save your breath with Pat Friend. Like the woman or not her job is not to police the locals or any airline in AFA. Her job it to run the institution on a national level and bring in new members. She is a political animal so to speak. This is a quote from Pat Friend "I don't get involved in local business". And trust me she WON'T. AFA International could give a flying flip about US Airways Reserves and their plight in life. It's a hard but simple fact. Each of you needs to take a really hard look at how the entire system is structured. You need to ask yourself who is "in charge"? Who holds the power" What is a roll call vote and who holds the most power in that? Who elects the MEC (aka Mike, Deb, Buddy and Carol)? It not the people you might think. It's all right here at www.afanet.org/cb/
That is the only language they understand and your best tool to make changes. It's all right there at your fingertips. How to recall an officer and call special meetings ect. If you withheld dues and it went to court the judge would look at everyone say "Did you follow these steps in the bylaws to correct the process"? Then there are the upcoming elections. IMO that is the key. So, I said it before no one here is helpless but the right avenues have to be followed. It's not easy by any stretch but doable. The people in office now know how hard it is and have the sense they are untouchable.

BeachBoy You speak the Truth! Hope everyone unites and understand the process. MF and CA think they CANT be Touched. But they can

 

[PHLfa88]

i think if we could have lines built with 4 or 5 reserve days a month, then it could really work. you know ahead of time the days you have to commit to, so there wouldn't be any surprises.

Th ONLY Way This Would Work Is If We Had A Preferencial (or how ever it's spelled) Bidding System, We Do Not! I Am For Maybe 3 Rsv Days Like DAL Has But Will NOT Vote For aContract With More Than That! <_<

 

[flightattend21]

To use an old, trite, but true, expression, You just hit the nail on the head. The reason f/a union leaders ignore most members is because they know that most of those f/as will not even bother to vote in the next election. Apathy is like a genetic thing among f/as, at almost any airline.

If the junior f/as who have to go through this hell (and as far as I can tell, at LCC, junior is a VERY relative term) would get together, back a candidate, and VOTE for that candidate, you might find you have more power than you thought.

But then, if LCC f/as are anything like my fellow f/as at AA, complaining about the situation is much more popular than doing something about it.

True so very true. It's always a handful of us who show up at meetings, write letters try to spread the word. If we could get through but just like the voting public we are happy to complain and elect the same old same old and then wonder "how rich are getting richer" and we are getting poorer...