Also S1 dose not help with all the non-wholly owned US Express affiliates US has. Non-wholly owned US Express affiliates employees go before S1 S3 S4 on their airline.
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That's very true, hub employees do get screwed a bit on the FCFS system. I work for AA at DFW, and AA has always had the FCFS system. DFW employees going to say HNL or LAS get listed behind hundreds of thru employees originating in other cities. Also, both AA and AAEagle employees have the exact same pass privliges on either carrier. Retired AAers also get the same boarding priority as an active employee, they just don,t get the few extra "higher priority passes" the active AAers do.
VERY TRUE! The only thing FCFS people can said is level playing field. NOT IN THIS CASE and many others
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Well if the whole getting screwed downline with the FCFS is true as stated above in the PHL to FCO scenario you can just forget me being open minded about that BS. I think there are many to be PO'd by the seniority driven system due to the fact that many are commuters on the east but there seems to be way to many loopholes with this FCFS and the answers and explanations are sometimes bunk at best. Again, we all shall live with the companies decision but I'm starting to have my doubts about this FCFS business. 😉
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Yeah, it's called a retirement plan.... what reason do they have to leave? They can't afford to leave.
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In the interest of our customers, should they be replaced with inexperienced new hires?
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I posted earlier about the CWA contract and boarding by seniority. Do any of the other work groups have this in their CBA?
[/b]Granted, the ETC does not show the number of people by SA3P, etc . .but the old compass system does.
No it doesnt. From the web it only shows the total of all people checked in under a single priority. To find out where you are on the list you have to have a sine and use a terminal at the airport, or ask an agent.
No it doesnt. From the web it only shows the total of all people checked in under a single priority. To find out where you are on the list you have to have a sine and use a terminal at the airport, or ask an agent.
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I am sorry but - I don't agree with this statement. Do you think that decades of experience makes you a better flight attendant... I think NOT!! Most people would MUCH rather have a new hire than a bitter Betty on their flight, no one wants to hear Shantay standing in the galley ####++g about their pension - get over it! FCFS has way tooooo many loopholes. It requires everyone to have a p.c. in front of them and it excludes people that are on the gov list that have to check in at the ticket counter... I think that if it disadvantages or should I say requires one person to be disadvantaged the system doesn't work.. and that is just the start ... We all have gate agent friends and i am sure people would use them = not fair... Seniority is the way to go - it is the only sure fire way to make sure everyone has the same level playing field. I have less than 10 years but don't have a problem. Personally FCFS is a bunch of crap - my friends at AA have to get up and go to the airport to check in to travel international - it is crap... I suggest we express the issue of people not being able to check in especially due to gov. controlled lists - I have 2 good friends on the lists and it is b/c of common names, and they have tried to get off the list and it is like pulling teeth with no novacaine... But MGMT, will have to fix the solution for these people if they want FCFS to work and I am sure they don't want to have to come up with a SOLUTION to that problem.. Hopefully they see that seniority is the way to go. Someone needs to jam a rod up DP's arse and get to the real problem instead of delaying contracts and travel...
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Suggestions?
Thank you very much for that question. I am certain that I don't have the best ideas, but perhaps some initial thoughts could generate better ones from others.
- Could voluntary furlow be used more widely and often?
- Could we allow those flight attendants that wish, the opportunity to work part time? I personally know a lawyer, real estate agent and a barber that would love to do it part time (working mostly for benefits)?
- Could the schedule allow for weekend only workers?
- Could we reduce ground sit time between flights? If so, the advantage of long haul flights would be somewhat reduced?
- Is there a potential for union and the company to work creatively on expansion plans? (Its not the number of senior people, its the ratio.) My state gives a tax break to companies that bring jobs here for the long term.
- Could some flight attendants be given an opportunity to move to other company jobs?
- Could an early out bonus be offered? We know it costs more to keep a very senior person than a new hire. Could a five year annualized difference be split with the senior employee if that would allow him/her to leave?
This is just a start and probably none of then would work, but we have a great deal of wisdom here and it would be good to hear some new top noch ideas.
That's what I was saying. When you check in, if it shows that 4 SA3P's have checked in . .you are # 4 (or higher, if someone else checked in during the few seconds you did).
