Seniortiy

[skd]

I applaud the AFA union for fighting for the date of hire seniortiy. Currently, as a reserve, I have zero seniority. In Philly there are approx 550 reserves, for the month of September all of whom have lost their seniority. In our last contract, our members voted away the seniority rights of reserves, anyone hired after July of 1989.

 

[goodgirl37]

I applaud the AFA union for fighting for the date of hire seniortiy. Currently, as a reserve, I have zero seniority. In Philly there are approx 550 reserves, for the month of September all of whom have lost their seniority. In our last contract, our members voted away the seniority rights of reserves, anyone hired after July of 1989.

[post="294257"][/post]​

That's right DOH all the way- Thats all we have both US and HP!!!!

 

[what_a_trip]

That's right DOH all the way- Thats all we have both US and HP!!!!

[post="294265"][/post]​

GoodGirl,

I agree all the way!

I have a brother who flies for AA who simply does not comprehend the fairness of DOH since their system of seniority integration is the way it is there. I explained to him that DOH is the way it is here and I am greatful for it.

Unfortunately the AWA- AFA union is not in total agreement with that idea. Here is part of their message to their members:

The flight attendants at America West are at a disadvantage with the current AFA merger policy, which was last updated in the 1980’s at a time when several legacy carriers were merging with each other. While the times have changed the AFA merger policy has not.

We are in a new era, with new challenges and situations. We are in an era of younger airlines having the ability to merge with much older airlines. In fact, this merger is the first in airline history with a low-cost carrier who is 22 years old, merging with a legacy carrier who is 65 years old. AFA as a whole must move into this new era and new reality.

Seniority of Combined HP/US Flight Attendants:
Considerable debate occupied most of the first day of the discussions, your Merger Committee maintains that we cannot accept simply combining lists as date of hire as it puts our flight attendants at a disadvantage. We believe that our counterparts at US Airways must consider other alternatives. While we recognize that US Airways has had several prior mergers, this is the first low-cost, legacy merger. As stated above, your MEC, and Merger Committee will push hard on this issue and will provide you more specifics following the next meeting on September 13th-15th.

Let the games begin!
Trip

 

[Light Years]

Was this not a merger of an LCC with a legacy? It was DOH.

 

[ClueByFour]

I keep asking this and keep getting ridiculed for it, but I'll ask again:

Why, exactly, should a 5 year PHX based HP FA who may hold a line (let's just say--I don't know how much time it takes to hold a line in PHX) suddenly end up sitting reserve behind a 20 year US FA?

If the US group can't see the problem here, my bold prediction is for fences of 5 years or longer.

 

[dramsey777]

DOH rules

 

[hp_fa]

I am quickly getting to the point where I hope Doug says that between the price of oil and the price you folks expect the HP employees to pay for your survival that we just call the whole thing off. Here's $15,000,000 and bye-bye. You can apply here after you are liquidated.

 

[USAirBoyA330]

hpfa:

Funny no one at AW questioned the AFA Constitution and Bylaws pertaining to mergers prior to this affecting them! DOH is the only FAIR way to do it. It advantages some and disadvantages others. I am sorry you think otherwise and want the merger to fail but you guys were about to be in the same boat within months.....bankrupt. Your CEO even said so.
We will get DOH and any attempt to circumvent the bylaws will be met with any and all measures on the USAirways side. You want to see a group unite?... just screw with the USAirways F/A and their seniority......it's all we have left.
You can throw up a mile high fence around PHX if you wish but IT WILL BE DOH. 😉 😉 Now lets all play nice.

 

[skd]

I keep asking this and keep getting ridiculed for it, but I'll ask again:

Why, exactly, should a 5 year PHX based HP FA who may hold a line (let's just say--I don't know how much time it takes to hold a line in PHX) suddenly end up sitting reserve behind a 20 year US FA?

If the US group can't see the problem here, my bold prediction is for fences of 5 years or longer.

[post="294314"][/post]​

For the same reason that Piedmont, PSA, and the Shuttle got to keep their doh seniortiy. It is that simple. And, because your company entered into an agreement to merge (not buy, not save,)with an AFA carrier. Does it suck for HP F/a's? Probably.

 

[osunut]

does anyone at all have a HP and US seniority list with DOH? Does anyone at all know what it really does look like besides the MEC's?

Just curious on how really "screwed" the HP FA's are going to be. I mean I work for HP, but still, why be up in arms unless you know for sure what it will look like.

I challenge anyone to get the lists and put them together. Ummmmmm.......

 

[N924PS]

I am quickly getting to the point where I hope Doug says that between the price of oil and the price you folks expect the HP employees to pay for your survival that we just call the whole thing off. Here's $15,000,000 and bye-bye. You can apply here after you are liquidated.

[post="294321"][/post]​

With the latest petroleum price spikes, now exacerbated by Hurricane Katrina, you may get your wish. Except it won't just be USAirways that liquidates.

No one expects any HP employee to subsidize USAirways or any of its employees. Both groups have invested a lot in ensuring their respective companies survive and have a chance to prosper.

There is no question that it will be difficult to address the disparity in seniority between the two groups. Some method will ultimately be used and not everyone will be happy with the result.

 

[Light Years]

The full US list with the hire dates is on thehub. Anyone have the HP list?

 

[goodgirl37]

I keep asking this and keep getting ridiculed for it, but I'll ask again:

Why, exactly, should a 5 year PHX based HP FA who may hold a line (let's just say--I don't know how much time it takes to hold a line in PHX) suddenly end up sitting reserve behind a 20 year US FA?

If the US group can't see the problem here, my bold prediction is for fences of 5 years or longer.

[post="294314"][/post]​

It doesnt matter if it is 5 or 10 or even 15 years once it comes down you will be slotted doh it has to come down sometime. I think the thing that you are not realizing is that most of us prefer the east coast and are not going to bump anyone out of a job. There are some people thatdo commute from the west coast and it is hard and they have been doing it for a long time.. Let me ask you this question if you were to merge with a brand new carrier and you would you want them to be slotted in 1 or 2 per three of you and they only have very little time compared to you. NO that is ridiculous that is giving away years of seniority that people have worked for. It strictly says by DOH in the bylaws and there is no way around it. no one will lose their job so dont be worried over here we have been layed off a couple if not three or more times in the past 5 years - walk a day in the life of a usair employee sweetheart and you will see reserve or lineholder you still have a job and many of us don't - so don't whine unless it's to your mom - we are all here to do our job and get along like cultured adults - you have it good even with the way that it will be - TRUST ME!!!

 

[what_a_trip]

I keep asking this and keep getting ridiculed for it, but I'll ask again:

Why, exactly, should a 5 year PHX based HP FA who may hold a line (let's just say--I don't know how much time it takes to hold a line in PHX) suddenly end up sitting reserve behind a 20 year US FA?

If the US group can't see the problem here, my bold prediction is for fences of 5 years or longer.

[post="294314"][/post]​

I understand your point of view and I agree that fences will be needed for some time even just to calm emotions, but keep in mind that crew bases are somewhat fences themselves in the fact that bidding vacations, flying options trips etc. are base specific. Add to the fact that with or without fences, f/a’s cannot bump junior f/a’s out of a base.

After the fences come down, former U f/a’s can only enter PHX when there are openings and that could take some time. Even when that happens, it will be many years before a significant number of former U f/a’s will be PHX based unless the base grows immensly. PHX will always have the vast majority of f/a’s as fomer HP f/a’s just as the vast majority of CLT f/a’s are former Piedmont Airline employees. When fences end, we will not be coming in droves to PHX because we simply cannot unless there is a need for more flight attendants.

 

[goodgirl37]

Was this not a merger of an LCC with a legacy? It was DOH.

[post="294284"][/post]​

That is correct light years. lets stop the excuses and get real people!!! lcc or not our fares are practically the same. We could name a thousand differences but it is a merger and the by-laws say DOH