Seniortiy

[etops1]

The full US list with the hire dates is on thehub. Anyone have the HP list?

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damn light . i was looking at the list. i did not know you were that far down. i sure hope to fly a trip with you again sometime real soon. we lost a lot of good people and you def were one of them.

 

[etops1]

i sent this letter to bill . the awa mec guy.
dear bill,
my name is #####. i am a f/a with usairways based in ### soon to be re-based in ### . i have been flying with airways since ####. ever since this merger with hp has been announced many emotions have arised. excitement,dissapointment,skepticisim,unsureness,even fear mostly on the hp side of things. one thing is for sure , we can make this work.
i recently read your letter to the hp f/a that afa's current rule of date of hire is simply ufair to the f/a's at hp. why is that if at us we have alot of f/a's who are leaving the company? do you think that stapleling the us f/a's to the bottom of the list is the fair thing to do? it has always been a by-law to intergrate seniority at date of hire? why do you want to change that? you logic of that usair is a legacy carrier and that hp is a lcc and that is a good reason that the by-law should be ammended is pure nonsense. all this is going to do is create animosity between the two groups. all the mergers usairways has done has been date of hire and everyone is getting along fine. it is the ONLY fair way to resolve this. if you guys do not like this by-law then you should have never voted in the afa as your union.
in closing .i hope that both groups can resolve this in a way that's failr to both employee groups. god knows that both hp and us have been through alot of bs these past years. now is the time get together to form a strong and profitable airline. its not time to create animosity between the flight attendant group. i am looking foward to working with you and the hp f/a's hand in hand in the near future.
all the best,
etops1
what do you think psa

 

[usair_begins_with_u]

hp fa is right... HP employee's and stock holders are getting the total shaft in this deal..

This merger is never going to work.. all the old timers at uair will make sure to it.

 

[goodgirl37]

hp fa is right... HP employee's and stock holders are getting the total shaft in this deal..

This merger is never going to work.. all the old timers at uair will make sure to it.

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WRONG, It will work if you put forth effort for it too and it won't if you go into it with negativity and skepticism -

 

[etops1]

hp fa is right... HP employee's and stock holders are getting the total shaft in this deal..

This merger is never going to work.. all the old timers at uair will make sure to it.

[post="294364"][/post]​

doesen't matter. this thing is suppose to close end late sep early oct. by the looks of things early sep. i was told that on oct 1st all the hp sinage will be replaced by usairways. us will move to the hp gates in phx on oct 4th. doug will assume the position as ceo . so then thats it ,right . can anything stop it from getting done after all this is completed? someone please educate me and let me know if iam wrong. and be nice about it please.

 

[bwipilot]

just remember that I'm bigger than you are--so give me your Big Mac and you can have my hamburger. That's fair you know, I'm bigger and that's the rules. Besides, it just makes sense. Don't struggle or complain and we'll all be a lot happier. :}

 

[Travelpro72]

There is now a link to read the contract highlights of HP on the US afa site. In the HP Q&A they even acknowledge that it is a merger with both sides bringing financing. I asked this before but will again, "If HP were not to merge with US what other carrier do you think you would merge with?" Certainly you dont believe you would stand alone? I'm sure the road at US would be quite rocky until we finally drove over the cliff but you were not far behind. If it were not an AFA carrier you would merge with, what would the seniority integration be? It's best for both carriers and we cannot let this start wearing on us. I am in my 8th year now at US and I'm sure there are PLENTY at HP that are senior to me. I am just curious....

 

[hp-csr-phx]

Here is a question for the U people. Do your flight atts. get DOH or date in postion as a flight attd? At HP if you start in another dept. and then transfer to be a FA you get your date of position, not DOH.

 

[etops1]

Here is a question for the U people. Do your flight atts. get DOH or date in postion as a flight attd? At HP if you start in another dept. and then transfer to be a FA you get your date of position, not DOH.

[post="294387"][/post]​

i think if you transfer over you get your seniority as far as travel purposes but as a f/a for bidding puposes you get your f/a training date. someone correct me if i am wrong.

 

[PHX-F/A]

I'm not going to say what HP class I was in, but I will say that I was hired in 1985. One of my best friends (also a 1985) is very concerned with the DOH method in the AFA constitution and wants a proportional integration. For instance, insert 1 AWA F/A after every Third US-F/A.
His logic is that whatever percentage ranking you're in, it will be the same percentage ranking in the new US.

I keep telling hime that if this issue ever went to a full membership vote, his proposal would not survice. We are out number, plain and simple.

That being said, HP people reading this, your global number probably won't change that much anyway. In the weeks just after the merger announcement, I heard someone from an AFA commitee say that our #1(HP) appeared to have a number in the 600's if you used the US list that they saw in May. Even if you use the proportional method these guys want, the #1 at AWA won't be #1 at the new US. Probably something like 100 or higher because our #1 was hired in 1983.

Besides, do'nt most modern contracts restrict how you move to other bases? Transfer for attritional vacancies, and transfer for growth vacancies. Any vacancies that are not filled are then given to new-hires. Correct?

 

[ChrisUS]

i think if you transfer over you get your seniority as far as travel purposes but as a f/a for bidding puposes you get your f/a training date. someone correct me if i am wrong.

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You are right Etops1.

 

[FlyUs]

hp fa is right... HP employee's and stock holders are getting the total shaft in this deal..

This merger is never going to work.. all the old timers at uair will make sure to it.

[post="294364"][/post]​

*yawn*

 

[hulagirl]

GoodGirl,

I agree all the way!

I have a brother who flies for AA who simply does not comprehend the fairness of DOH since their system of seniority integration is the way it is there. I explained to him that DOH is the way it is here and I am greatful for it.

Unfortunately the AWA- AFA union is not in total agreement with that idea. Here is part of their message to their members:

The flight attendants at America West are at a disadvantage with the current AFA merger policy, which was last updated in the 1980’s at a time when several legacy carriers were merging with each other. While the times have changed the AFA merger policy has not.

We are in a new era, with new challenges and situations. We are in an era of younger airlines having the ability to merge with much older airlines. In fact, this merger is the first in airline history with a low-cost carrier who is 22 years old, merging with a legacy carrier who is 65 years old. AFA as a whole must move into this new era and new reality.

Seniority of Combined HP/US Flight Attendants:
Considerable debate occupied most of the first day of the discussions, your Merger Committee maintains that we cannot accept simply combining lists as date of hire as it puts our flight attendants at a disadvantage. We believe that our counterparts at US Airways must consider other alternatives. While we recognize that US Airways has had several prior mergers, this is the first low-cost, legacy merger. As stated above, your MEC, and Merger Committee will push hard on this issue and will provide you more specifics following the next meeting on September 13th-15th.

Let the games begin!
Trip

[post="294283"][/post]​

I am an AWA flight attendant. And I respect seniority. Mine. AND YOURS. We are not all supporting "proportional integration" as proposed by some of our members. Do I like it that my seniority is going to take a nose-dive? No! But I am not entitled to seniority that I have not earned. Please dont think we are all supporting this motion.

 

[etops1]

I am an AWA flight attendant. And I respect seniority. Mine. AND YOURS. We are not all supporting "proportional integration" as proposed by some of our members. Do I like it that my seniority is going to take a nose-dive? No! But I am not entitled to seniority that I have not earned. Please dont think we are all supporting this motion.

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hey hulagirl, can iuy you a drink after we merge? 😉

 

[Zarah]

I would think that whatever DOH you were using at AW would be the same after the merger. I can see no logical reason why you would lose it, but this would be a good question to ask your union reps that are working on the senority list.