Should American Eagle EMB-175s to go Piedmont

[cynic]

Sure Piedmont can have them, if they agree to the same POS contract Eagle told Doug to put where the sun doesn't shine,twice. Although PSA stood right up with a smile and shanked Eagle for some nebulous flow through promises and the promise of maybe some new jets.
 
The company can threaten to "Comair" Eagle, but the fact is it took two years to wind Comair down.Can any of the current WO or contract lift providers step in and cover all of the flying currently done by Eagle in a short time frame? No, of course not.
 
Maybe PSA will agree to cap F/O pay at two years when Doug comes a calling offering even shinier jets...

Piedmont pilots are drooling at the opportunity to bend over and take that contract. It would be a pay raise for all of those old guys in the left seat, and a significant one at that for many of them. They're just upset that nobody has given them the chance to screw everyone else in the industry. 
 
I think the Envoy CR7s will end up at PSA but I have no idea who will get the 175s or how they will staff them. The regional industry is imploding before our eyes. 

 

[nycbusdriver]

Piedmont pilots are drooling at the opportunity to bend over and take that contract. It would be a pay raise for all of those old guys in the left seat, and a significant one at that for many of them. They're just upset that nobody has given them the chance to screw everyone else in the industry. 
 
I think the Envoy CR7s will end up at PSA but I have no idea who will get the 175s or how they will staff them. The regional industry is imploding before our eyes. 

 
Despite ALPA's statements to the contrary, the long-awaited pilot shortage is here.  ALPA says there are over 1000 of their highly qualified members on furlough.  That number, though true on the day it was stated, is a drop in the bucket, and that drop is drying fast.  It would not surprise me if many of those furloughed (I don't know from which ALPA-represented carriers) have not already gone on to greener pastures at other airlines, or have been recalled.  Whichever airline(s) have these ALPA pilots on furlough would wisely recall them "yesterday" lest they go work for the competition who are all looking for pilots with those qualifications.
 
If Piedmont takes the EMB 175s for the contract that Eagle/Envoy rejected, I do not blame them.  Why not take the pay raise and the new jets while waiting for their class dates at UA, DL, SW, UPS, FedEx, JB, and yes, even AA?  It's only a matter of time before virtually the entire express industry watches their jets collect dust, or pays their pilots rates commensurate with demand.
 
It has been a long time coming, but the law of supply and demand is heartless and smacks even the big, rich companies with indifferent impunity.

 

[1AA]

Not gonna happen, an A319 is too big of an airplane to replace the 175 on routes and it costs more to use a A319 than an E175.

Jetblue does not seem to think so. I have seen Jetblue fly in and out of similar cities that AA uses smaller RJ's. You be surprised how economical a A319 is to fly these days.
AA flies RJ's on long routes that were mainline flying with weight restrictions to add extra fuel. I think the A319's are AA's backup plan if needed. Just wait and see if AA can contract out AE flying after the rejection of the last proposal.

 

[700UW]

If the route warranted a larger plane AA would use it.
 
Compare route to route, not apples to oranges.
 
And B6 also uses smaller E190s on routes.
 
And JetBlue doesnt own any A319s, they have E190s, A320 and A321s.

 

[PullUp]

It's very interesting that airlines are blaming the 'pilot shortage' and the resulting removal of 50-seat regional aircraft from the skies on the new Federal regs mandating ATP/1500 hr minimums for occupying the right front seat of passenger carrying aircraft. They fail to mention that these same 50-seaters have been declared obsolete for a number of years now and the only reason they are still flying is due to contracts that are already in place. Airlines have known for a long time that 50 seat jets and the smaller cities they serve are on the chopping block. The pilot shortage will be short lived because there will be a large qualified pool of experienced RJ pilots shopping for jobs soon.

 

[cynic]

It's very interesting that airlines are blaming the 'pilot shortage' and the resulting removal of 50-seat regional aircraft from the skies on the new Federal regs mandating ATP/1500 hr minimums for occupying the right front seat of passenger carrying aircraft. They fail to mention that these same 50-seaters have been declared obsolete for a number of years now and the only reason they are still flying is due to contracts that are already in place. Airlines have known for a long time that 50 seat jets and the smaller cities they serve are on the chopping block. The pilot shortage will be short lived because there will be a large qualified pool of experienced RJ pilots shopping for jobs soon.

Without the ATP rule, regionals wouldn't be having as many problems. They would be much better able to manage their attrition. 

 

[dash8roa]

I say just add the 175s to the mainline fleet, after all we did have aircraft of similar size in past..ie F28s and BAe 146s . 
Piedmont does need new aircraft some new ATRs would be great but is there really need for props, the only city that US/AA flies to that requires Piedmont's Dash-8s is HHH, so park  the Dash-8s and have Piedmont take over the American Eagle CRJ700s and as for HHH they can join the list of many other disc service cities in the system...

The 175's are too large for some routes such as SBY and a few others that just about can fill a Dash-8-100. Perhaps substitute frequency for for larger aircraft, 5 daily flights on smaller 35 to 50 seat aircraft for 3 daily flights on a 76 seat E175.
I know customers would appreciate the improved ride a E175 would give compared to the noisy, vibration machine which is the Dash-8 and this change could increase ridership.
The Dash-8 fleet is shrinking and many are coming up on cycle limits over the next few years.
I wonder how small the Dash fleet could be and yet be a viable part of AA.
By the way, HHH averages about 60k a year in boardings, not bad for a small city.

 

[1AA]

If the route warranted a larger plane AA would use it.
 
Compare route to route, not apples to oranges.
 
And B6 also uses smaller E190s on routes.
 
And JetBlue doesnt own any A319s, they have E190s, A320 and A321s.

Then the A319 should be a better fit than a 20 or 21.

 

[PullUp]

The 319, despite its smaller size, is not a short-range aircraft. It is better deployed as a long-range, thin capacity asset for smaller but more lucrative markets. Think John Wayne Airport, for example, to the east coast.
For 1 to 2 hour legs, the E190 has good economics and its cabin is liked by the pax. I predict a large E190 order for AA mainline soon.

 

[700UW]

He doesnt understand why an E175 is used instead of a A319.

 

[PullUp]

He doesnt understand why an E175 is used instead of a A319.

With this mgmt its all about $$.
Once AA emps learn this, it will all make sense.
Cheers.

 

[1AA]

And AE flies RJ's on long routes to the point they have to fly with empty seats to add extra fuel. So what is the difference? Both do not make sense but AE does it anyway and AA subsidizes the cost of the operation.

 

[700UW]

You seem to forget the top executives at the New AA are all US executives, its not your mother's AA anymore.
 
Parker, Kirby and Isom actually know the operational side and do a pretty good job at it.

 

[1AA]

You seem to forget the top executives at the New AA are all US executives, its not your mother's AA anymore.
 
Parker, Kirby and Isom actually know the operational side and do a pretty good job at it.

What does my mother have to do with this?
You never worked for AA and you no longer work for USAir. so how are we to believe anything you say since you are an outsider?
 
Top execs maybe USAir, but lately they have been treating the USAir folks like step children. The new USAir execs are adapting the AA ways and AA has always subsidized AE since its inception back in 1985. What makes anyone think that all of a sudden the thought process is going to change?

 

[PullUp]

What does my mother have to do with this?
You never worked for AA and you no longer work for USAir. so how are we to believe anything you say since you are an outsider?
 
Top execs maybe USAir, but lately they have been treating the USAir folks like step children. The new USAir execs are adapting the AA ways and AA has always subsidized AE since its inception back in 1985. What makes anyone think that all of a sudden the thought process is going to change?

Because Sh*t rolls downhill. At the top of the mountain there is new leadership (remember, the ones that you wanted and that we warned you about). What's rolling downhill is if it isn't making money, it will be eliminated.
This applies to everything, no matter what happened before.