SICK CALLS UP BIGTIME

[safety stud]

Well Studley Drool-right fair is in the eyes of the beholder..

So the real question is:

Did you let your representatives take this to voluntary binding arbitration?

Tuna Boy
It's not polite to answer a question with a question!
Mine was simple...
A yes or no answer...
Do you "Charlie_Tuna" think it was fair?

 

[allstrike]

and that was, what, two, maybe three years? Still got a lot to learn, 'ay?
I can assure you that your "vote" will not be ignored when I have to make a decision whether to go or not. If you decide, in your arrogance, to make a donkey out of yourself, then I an certain we can always find a mech. who places their job above their ego.

Ya like this guy.Hes available.
http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=35284

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Tuna Boy
It's not polite to answer a question with a question!
Mine was simple...
A yes or no answer...
Do you "Charlie_Tuna" think it was fair?

Well Studley Drool-right I can't answer that question until you answer mine.

Did you let your representatives take this to voluntary binding arbitration?

 

[flyboeing737]

Well Studley Drool-right I can't answer that question until you answer mine.

Did you let your representatives take this to voluntary binding arbitration?

Nothing in this industry is FAIR. It is in the eyes of the beholder what is FAIR.

When you sign off on binding arbitration you put your future is a 3rd parties hands.

Award has been issued and it is binding. Fair or not is irrelevant.

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Nothing in this industry is FAIR. It is in the eyes of the beholder what is FAIR.

When you sign off on binding arbitration you put your future is a 3rd parties hands.

Award has been issued and it is binding. Fair or not is irrelevant.

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Yup that was my point on all 5 counts.

 

[safety stud]

Well Studley Drool-right I can't answer that question until you answer mine.

Did you let your representatives take this to voluntary binding arbitration?

Tuna Boy

You are avoiding my question because you know it's not fair...
Period...
It's not a matter of letting your representitives take it to voluntary binding arbitration. It's a matter of fairness by the arbitrator.
The ruling isn't close to being fair...
and YOU know it...

It aint over...
Believe Me...

Just my opinion...

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Tuna Boy

You are avoiding my question because you know it's not fair...
Period...
It's not a matter of letting your representitives take it to voluntary binding arbitration. It's a matter of fairness by the arbitrator.
The ruling isn't close to being fair...
and YOU know it...

It aint over...
Believe Me...

Just my opinion...

Studley Drool-right You are avoiding my question because you KNOW you gave up any rights to personal guaranteed fairness when you signed up and went all-in with voluntary binding arbitration. Game set match.

"The ruling isn't close to being fair..." To who YOU? Or anyone?

 

[EyeInTheSky]

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Yup that was my point on all 5 counts.

Sorry...Charlie,

There is no light at the end of Tuna for you on this.

Later,
Eye

 

[EMBFA]

Unlke Mid Atlantic who are basically all very junior to mainline f/as in the first place, BUT have NOT had their seniority effected by a merger with AWA...after all, its DOH on mainline!!!!

So, I pose the question, how has MAA seniority been negatively effected by the merger with AWA, pray tell??? Inquiring minds would like to know!

Funny how you knew we were talking about MAA without it ever being said!

Totally shows the attitude of the union right there- ' all very junior', lest we forget, anyone with 7-15 years is 'junior' and doesn't matter. They should just pay $40 a month for nothing and take the brunt of all concessions.

Seniority is not affected by MidAtlantic. Pay longevity is. Which affects the affected employees, not the furloughees chosen or not. If someone was on the property they should have accrued longevity for pay. If they were not they dont. Simple. Only US AFA and ALPA have these convoluted divisions, schemes, bypasses and BS for thier furloughees (which made up half the seniority list at one time).

And the whole MDA idea was negotiated to be a Wholly owned subsidiary, it was not, it was put on mainline no matter what was painted on the planes. So all that stuff is null and void, the AFA failed a group of F/As, continue to do so to this day, and it wont be forgotten.

As dismissive as the treatment of those employees by thier unions was, years of lost pay credit is nothing compared to losing seniority, especially what is happening to our pilots. Its just absolutely disgusting. My heart breaks for them.

I dont see how an airline can operate with the majority of its pilots robbed of thier seniority.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

I dont see how an airline can operate with the majority of its pilots robbed of thier seniority.

EMBFA,
You are correct. Parker and Kirby know this and it's going to be a huge problem. I said this in an earlier post, I actually feel sorry for them. This is a huge mess.

Later,
Eye

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

I dont see how an airline can operate with the majority of its pilots robbed of thier seniority.

And you won't ever. But you will see an Airline run with a majority of pilots that let their representatives bet their seniority on a roll of the dice that came up snakeeyes.

 

[philly rocks]

Check, check, check, check, Charlie has issues.

 

[kao]

A Question? Did or Did not USAIR back in the 1990's WHEN they were in a possible merger with UNITED AIRLINES have the ALPA Merger Language changed so that it would save your positions and now AWA used the same life line you your self were going to use on UAL? You do know some knifes come with TWO sharp sides. If I got bad INFO please show me the facts. One last thing when the rest of us at USAIR who are not ALPA MEMBERS who have family's, you know little kids to feed and make 1/10 what your wage is, are out of jobs because YOUR Union Busted one off in you back side, I hope you can sleep well. If the Company did it I can understand but union to union and then hurt the rest of us who may or may not get a little profit sharing because of your me me me pilot group. ALPA THE A&P's (MX) BOYS AT NWA THANKYOU FOR YOUR NON SUPPORT, By the way when has a pilot group supported another Union Picket??? Ooh that's right me me me.....

here here...nicely said.

 

[PITbull]

Funny how you knew we were talking about MAA without it ever being said!

You're kidding right? You have said and talked about MAA in at least 90% of your past postings. Anyone who follows this board for years as I do could spot the MAA posters in 1 sec...seizing the moment to turn every post around to talk about your longevity, even though you knew about this before you accepted the job at MAA. The flow-through language commenced in Oct. 2003 and ended BEFORE Mid Atlantic started. The American Eagle contract language was voted in the Winter 2002 ratified agreement by eligible active fa/s. MAA offered first opportunities for hire to the involuntary furloughed f/as, then Wholly owned, then off the street. That was the flow-through language.

I guess you need another history lesson on the issue, because you just refuse to accept that longevity was NOT accepted by the company as WE WERE IN BK AND COULDN'T EVEN WORK OUT CONSESSION PAY ISSUES FOR ACTIVE FA/S ON MAINLINE FOR GEEZUS SAKE!! WE COULDN'T EVEN KEEP THE DAMN PENSION PLAN SINCE YOU THINK AFA ONLY PROTECTS SENIOR F/AS!!!!! I left this god-forsaken airline because the pensions went to the shitttt house, and gave up 25 years of seniority...

Next....

"And the whole MDA idea was negotiated to be a Wholly owned subsidiary, it was not, it was put on mainline no matter what was painted on the planes. So all that stuff is null and void, the AFA failed a group of F/As, continue to do so to this day, and it wont be forgotten."

There were 3 concessions 2 BK between 2002 and 2004. Just to make it crystal clear a-gain...Concession 1 brought about the conception of MAA which was negotiated as a "Wholly owned". Concession 2 (BK) negotiated MAA work rules/benefits and pay scale to be American Eagle, and MAA to be a "division" of mainline because of wanting to accept the EMB-170 a/c and not having two separate certificates in the timeline needed to start MAA.

You must have jumped on board later and have no idea or clue on the how, what, when, who issues. And obviously you didn't pose the questions to the proper folks to get the correct and hard-fact answers.

And since "it won't be forgotten", could you please add in getting back our pension language.

Thank you, it would be appreciated and not forgotten.

 

[EMBFA]

Yawn.

You have sympathy for the pilots but were fine with your own members being divided and screwed. Your always quick to point out, almost gleefully, that you negotiated two pay scales on one certificate, like your very proud of it.

All those hundreds of pilots and F/A must just be stupid, they are so junior anyway.

Yawn.