Teamsters getting desperate

[gonzo]

I'm not sure I would say that the TEAMSTERS are getting desperate just thorough. A concept that the IAM seems to have a problem with when it comes to keeping their members up to date. stoopidute442 when you sent in the card your phone number was on it. Remember? 🙂

 

[smmech]

Wow how mature.

And you still have not answered why the ibt is making promises they know are outright falsehoods.

Like? :blink:
Doug and Al said they are ready to negotiate and your BK CBA allows his through RLA sec 6, yet your IAM is scared to do this for the saftey of there blessed scope. I understand this I dont wanna end up like NWA, but it is not a falsehood its a fact that they can and will most likely re-negotiated .

 

[700UW]

Section 6 states you must file a notice 60 days prior to the amendable date which is 2009.

The contract is not amendable and the company cannot open it as it is part of the POR and the Judge and all the creditors must approve if the company agrees to renegotiate.

And funny Al is only interested in a transition agreement, not a whole new CBA.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Section 6 states you must file a notice 60 days prior to the amendable date which is 2009.

The contract is not amendable and the company cannot open it as it is part of the POR and the Judge and all the creditors must approve if the company agrees to renegotiate.

And funny Al is only interested in a transition agreement, not a whole new CBA.

Mr. 700UW.........this is for you specifically. And of course, everyone else who can and is willing to answer.


Educate me.....does Section 6 say 60 days prior and ONLY 60 days? Not 61 days or 560 days or 1260 days?? Is there any reason that a contract ammendment cannot be opened now?

And why is it a given that the Judge and the creditors and the company would TOTALLY dismiss the option of ammending the contract?

It appears to me that since there are different unions and different contracts involved, that would be a viable option. We still have to run an airline and as I'm looking through my rose colored glasses, I believe that it would be in the best interest of ALL parties involved, to come to terms that are agreeable to all. Then press on and run a viable and successful airline. Isn't that why we are all here? Isn't that why we've all chosen to stay?

Or is it going to be a continual pissing contest and then the company takes it to court again? Then the judge will look at it the whole scenario and think "hey......the kids can't get along so now we're going to take away the TV and the Game Boy and the basketball........and then a "time out" in the corner". And when it's all over, you're not going to get your toys back. Hasn't everyone already had enough taken away with no say?

One more question........why wouldn't a transition agreement be better than getting all your toys taken away??

Time to be realistic about this situation and TRY to make the best of it.......if you don't play fair and don't play together as employees (kids), then the company (the parents) are going to make you behave........one way or another.

 

[gonzo]

Thirty (30) day notice. Not sixty (60) days prior to contract being amenable.

No specific time just a thirty (30) day notice. 🙂

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Thirty (30) day notice. Not sixty (60) days prior to contract being amenable.

No specific time just a thirty (30) day notice. 🙂

So there's no reason that it couldn't be started now or at least in the near future.........once the rest of the "stuff" settles down.........correct??

 

[NeedForSpeed]

Mr. 70......I have a question.........did you go to PHX and put the flyers up? I am willing to bet that you were not anywhere near PHX, so you don't know if flyers were all over PHX, do you?

Ok, I didn't want to do this but you are now Mr. 7. You have been spreading bad information on a regular bases.

azjettek started calling you Mr. 7. I thought it was not a fair "demotion" at first, but after reading some of your new posts I have to agree. You are now Mr. 7. 🙂

Gonzo, C'mon now....be nice...... mr. 7 posted the "fact" that flyers were there...he must have been there, otherwise he would not have posted it as "fact"....He only posts "facts" on here, you did not know that?? Did I mention that 7 only posts "facts"?? 😉

 

[delldude]

B)

And why is it a given that the Judge and the creditors and the company would TOTALLY dismiss the option of ammending the contract?

because it is a major part of the bankruptcy reorganization plan that the court and creditors approved to let U emerge....specific timetables with monetary and performance goals stipulated in the emergence agreement. they will not deviate from this,they can't 😉
this aquisition,merger or marriage was also part of the emergence/reorganization plan.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The contract is not amendable and the company cannot open it as it is part of the POR and the Judge and all the creditors must approve if the company agrees to renegotiate.


The above is taken from Mr. 700UW's previous statement. It's a contradiction to what Dell Dude says.

Which way is it?

Just curious............... :unsure:

156. Procedure in changing rates of pay, rules, and working conditions

Carriers and representatives of the employees shall give at least thirty days' written notice of an intended change in agreements affecting rates of pay, rules, or working conditions, and the time and place for the beginning of conference between the representatives of the parties interested in such intended changes shall be agreed upon within ten days after the receipt of said notice, and said time shall be within the thirty days provided in the notice. In every case where such notice of intended change has been given, or conferences are being held with reference thereto, or the services of the Mediation Board have been requested by either party, or said Board has proffered its services, rates of pay, rules, or working conditions shall not be altered by the carrier until the controversy has been finally acted upon, as required by section 155 of this title, by the Mediation Board, unless a period of ten days has elapsed after termination of conferences without request for or proffer of the services of the Mediation Board.

(May 20, 1926, ch. 347, §6, 44 Stat. 582; June 21, 1934, ch. 691, § 6, 48 Stat. 1197.)


Sounds like an option to me.............. :unsure:

 

[delldude]

reread...its exactly what i implied....
POR..plan of reorganization.....approved by the creditors and court.
the IAM giveback contract was a part of the plan also...CBA cannot be renegotiated.a transition agreement between two unions can be accomplished.not a total re-neg.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

B)
because it is a major part of the bankruptcy reorganization plan that the court and creditors approved to let U emerge....specific timetables with monetary and performance goals stipulated in the emergence agreement. they will not deviate from this,they can't 😉
this aquisition,merger or marriage was also part of the emergence/reorganization plan.

And please, where would one find this emergence agreement??

 

[delldude]

And please, where would one find this emergence agreement??

have fun

 

[AIRWOMAN]

have fun

Thanks Dell........much appreciated information.

 

[delldude]

Thanks Dell........much appreciated information.

🙂

 

[gonzo]

Hmmmm........all the conditions of emergence have been met. If they had not been then U could not have been released from the BK. I'm thinkin' you are getting the two items crossed. The emergence plan (BK) and the business plan. The money was invested in DP as the ceo. If he fails then we all fail. It says nothing about required financial restrictions. 🙂