Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[CV580ETOPS]

Another eastie who blames everyone else for his pathetic career.

I'm just looking out for you guys. You're obviously miserable here and I think you need a kick in the ass to move on to something else.Then you can be happy doing something else.

Yeah, I heard Arrow is restarting operations. Maybe they'll let you be a captain this time.

cv

 

[nycbusdriver]

Actually, we are a republic. Each individual should be able to choose. If a union can only get members because of some outdated law from the rail road days, then that isn't very good is it? There is a reason most of the country is not union...they are dinosaurs. If you are against a person exercising the right to choose their destiny...that's your problem. You can always send out the goons.....not like a union would ever use intimidation.... 🙄

So then, given that we are a republic, but the American way is individual choice, which parts of the republic do I as an individual get to reject?

Hint: NONE

Why?

Hint: The republic was democratically instituted as our form of government by the majority. The minority then has to play by the rules of the republic.

Sounds like an election for a CBA, doesn't it?

 

[toganoflex]

So then, given that we are a republic, but the American way is individual choice, which parts of the republic do I as an individual get to reject?

Hint: NONE

Why?

Hint: The republic was democratically instituted as our form of government by the majority. The minority then has to play by the rules of the republic.

Sounds like an election for a CBA, doesn't it?

Really there Mr. Government guy?

If that's the case, how did women get suffrage? African Americans, years ago, would never be where they are today if the majority were allowed to control everything.

Our government is structured to prevent a tyranny of the majority. Fortunately for the West, the judicial system provided us the muscle we needed to shut down the east's tyranny.

And shut them down we did.

To date, after all these years and despite a numbers advantage, USAPA has been unable to pass their DOH list across the table to the company.

If there was anyway to have done it, USAPA would have figured it out by now.

 

[Crzipilot]

Yeah, I heard Arrow is restarting operations. Maybe they'll let you be a captain this time.

cv

Interesting, did togonoflex work at arrow? Would explain a few things....

 

[Pi brat]

IMO your management has created all the leverage it needs to finish your merger once and for all. They will most likely win an injunction. If they win damages, they will not collect. But in exchange they will get all law suits resolved or dropped, the nic installed, an industry average contract, the COC language will be gone, and they will get their synergies.

That's just it jetz. They don't want to finish the merger! In their short sighted vision, not finishing the merger has saved them a fortune! They just want a well run airline (on paper) while they drag it out.

 

[Pi brat]

So, again I ask, are you still not ready to replace USAPA?

$400M works out to about $115K per east pilot which is like working for per diem only for a year (or more). I would say USAPA's liability insurance wouldn't cover illegal work actions, so the money to pay damages will come from the pilots themselves.

So the few that upgraded as a result of USAPA's integration blocking will see the addition left seat money vanish in damages, while those majority that saw no increased compensation will just have to dig deeper to pay up.

USAPA - watch what they (Cleary, Mowery, Theuer, and Kubic) do, not what they say. And NEVER do what they ask.

First off, where are they asking for $400 million? Second, you and your buddies have pointed out over and over how little support USAPA has. Do you really think any USAPA job action, if there was one, could do this kind of damage? Last, but certainly not least, would you support a judge telling USAPA to tell your captain to not write up discrepancies?

 

[Pi brat]

So, you think I'm drunk when I post and I think your stupid when you post...

...works for me.

I don't think you are drunk, I hope you are drunk because I don't want to believe that someone like you is a professional pilot.

Although, lately I've started thinking you are not a west pilot. I'm thinking you are an east radical that is frustrated that they "weak sisters" can't pull anything off, and you want to provoke their anger.

 

[Pi brat]

What exactly have you been saying?

That it is civil war out here and ever since Johnny Macaroni asked Doug how to write up the wicked easties every east pilot needs to dot every i and cross every t.

 

[luvn737s]

That it is civil war out here and ever since Johnny Macaroni asked Doug how to write up the wicked easties every east pilot needs to dot every i and cross every t.

And yet you still plow into airplanes while taxiing and shoot holes in airplanes. I think things were alot safer before the safety-mongers showed up.

Maybe the safest thing for all concerned is if they terminated 500 or so east pilots. Wanna volunteer, I mean in the interest of safety and all! 🙂

 

[luvn737s]

Last, but certainly not least, would you support a judge telling USAPA to tell your captain to not write up discrepancies?

My Captain? Would "my captain" listen to USAPA? I think "my captain" has alot more sense than that. He's been a Captain for many years. I'll talk it over with "my captain" next time I see him.

Sheesh!

 

[nycbusdriver]

To date, after all these years and despite a numbers advantage, USAPA has been unable to pass their DOH list across the table to the company.

Oh, did I miss it? We're using the Nicolau list now due to all that "muscle" the west has?

 

[luvn737s]

So then, given that we are a republic, but the American way is individual choice, which parts of the republic do I as an individual get to reject?

The participants.

If you get a certified letter from your 7th grade civics teacher telling you to report for remedial summer school, you should seriously consider it.

 

[Pi brat]

My Captain? Would "my captain" listen to USAPA? I think "my captain" has alot more sense than that. He's been a Captain for many years. I'll talk it over with "my captain" next time I see him.

Sheesh!

Isn't USAPA the legal bargaining agent for pilots employed by US Airways? Isn't the company asking, oh I'll just copy it:

2. That this Court further order that the Defendants take all reasonable steps within
their power to prevent the aforesaid actions and to refrain from continuing the aforesaid actions
if commenced, including, but not limited to, the following:
a. Instructing all pilots represented by Defendant USAPA and employed by
Plaintiff to resume their normal working schedule and practices and
providing Plaintiff a copy of all such instructions;
b. Notifying all pilots represented by Defendant USAPA and employed by
Plaintiff, by the most expeditious means possible, of the issuance,
contents, and meaning of this Preliminary Injunction and providing
Plaintiff a copy of all such notices;
c. Including in such notice a directive from USAPA to US Airways’ pilots
not to engage in a concerted refusal to perform normal pilot operations,
including but not limited to, slow taxiing, writing up maintenance items,
calling in fatigued, delaying flights, refusing to answer a call from the
scheduling, refusing to fly an aircraft that meets legal requirements for
flight,(of course you have proen that you would do that anyway) or refusing to accept voluntary or overtime flying, and to cease and
desist all such activity and to cease and desist all exhortations or
communications encouraging same, upon pain of fine, suspension, or other
sanction by USAPA;

So if the court issues the injunction as worded by the company, doesn't it apply to your captains? If there are some trouble makers over there that, oh I don't know, say fly a much higher % over block than average, then the company could use this to get rid of them?

I mean, look at how you guys SCREAM about not being represented equally by USAPA. I will do everything possible to see that you are with this.

 

[Pi brat]

And yet you still plow into airplanes while taxiing and shoot holes in airplanes. I think things were alot safer before the safety-mongers showed up.

Maybe the safest thing for all concerned is if they terminated 500 or so east pilots. Wanna volunteer, I mean in the interest of safety and all! 🙂

I've never shot an airplane, nor plowed into one. Is that slander or libel?

 

[toganoflex]

Oh, did I miss it? We're using the Nicolau list now due to all that "muscle" the west has?

Just a matter of when, not if.

In the mean time, you've lost most of your retirement and I make more than you.