Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[Pi brat]

Go ask the UA Pilots and Mechanics, go ask AA's Pilots and the former NWA Mechanics about Judges, Courts, TROs and Injunctions.

The company has deep pockets and lots of resources and filed DOCUMENTED proof of the increase of write ups, and slower taxi times.

You guys are your own worst enemies, everything you do on the plane is recorded and document and the company has done their homework, what has Cleary and USAPA done except waste your dues money on pipe dreams?

So as a former stock clerk, or what every you were, you agree with this part?

Including in such notice a directive from USAPA to US Airways’ pilots
not to engage in a concerted refusal to perform normal pilot operations,
including but not limited to, slow taxiing, writing up maintenance items,
calling in fatigued, delaying flights, refusing to answer a call from the
scheduling, refusing to fly an aircraft that meets legal requirements for
flight, or refusing to accept voluntary or overtime flying, and to cease and
desist all such activity and to cease and desist all exhortations or
communications encouraging same, upon pain of fine, suspension, or other
sanction by USAPA;

 

[700UW]

What does one's job classification have to do with knowledge?

I was a union rep for over 15 years, on the local and district levels, attended all the training classes that the IAM's accredited Education Center had to offer.

Been to many conventions, conferences and training, was even trained by the man who organized the IAM at All American in 1949 and negotiated every contract up until bankruptcy and he was even on the Section 1114 Committee for the retirees.

I have been on the US IAM M&R Negotiating Committee, and even on the IAM CO FA Negotiating in 2005.

I have been a shop steward, and filed and presented many grievances and assisted in third steps and arbitration cases.

What have you done to help your fellow workers and union members?

I am all for safe planes, passengers and employees.

But if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its a duck.

Is it too hard to understand the company did their due diligence and has the data to support their claims?

With the courts stacked against labor, have fun with this one.

USAPA will fail, you wont get DOH, better go educate Cleary on what Binding Arbitration means.

And like I said, Seeham is not a labor friendly attorney, he has represented El Al and Alitalia against unions, lost a major status quo case at ACA and lost his cash cow of AMFA Mechanics at NW and PFAA, FAs at NW.

You pilots really need to hold USAPA accountable for their failures, that is something Cleary is good at.

 

[UPNAWAY]

Explain to me how the judge will tell them to make sure Captains taxi faster and don't write up maintenance discrepancies?
Driver B

You are correct in that in any individual case it would be difficult if not impossible to prove. But they do not have to prove that. They only have to show the bigger pitcher which is obvious proof of a work slowdown led by the union.

I'd like to add it is not just the write up, but a late write up that lead to a delay of more then 14 minutes. When they show data that delays of less the 10 minutes where normal or even went down and delays of 15 minutes went up that will also be proof of a effort to achieve a desired goal.

 

[Harry Callahan]

You are correct in that in any individual case it would be difficult if not impossible to prove. But they do not have to prove that. They only have to show the bigger pitcher which is obvious proof of a work slowdown led by the union.

I'd like to add it is not just the write up, but a late write up that lead to a delay of more then 14 minutes. When they show data that delays of less the 10 minutes where normal or even went down and delays of 15 minutes went up that will also be proof of a effort to achieve a desired goal.

Why don't you just go on back to Doug's office where you belong 🙄

 

[Pi brat]

What does one's job classification have to do with knowledge?

I was a union rep for over 15 years, on the local and district levels, attended all the training classes that the IAM's accredited Education Center had to offer.

Been to many conventions, conferences and training, was even trained by the man who organized the IAM at All American in 1949 and negotiated every contract up until bankruptcy and he was even on the Section 1114 Committee for the retirees.

I have been on the US IAM M&R Negotiating Committee, and even on the IAM CO FA Negotiating in 2005.

I have been a shop steward, and filed and presented many grievances and assisted in third steps and arbitration cases.

What have you done to help your fellow workers and union members?

I am all for safe planes, passengers and employees.

But if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its a duck.

Is it too hard to understand the company did their due diligence and has the data to support their claims?

With the courts stacked against labor, have fun with this one.

USAPA will fail, you wont get DOH, better go educate Cleary on what Binding Arbitration means.

And like I said, Seeham is not a labor friendly attorney, he has represented El Al and Alitalia against unions, lost a major status quo case at ACA and lost his cash cow of AMFA Mechanics at NW and PFAA, FAs at NW.

You pilots really need to hold USAPA accountable for their failures, that is something Cleary is good at.

Ouch, I must have hit a nerve! That was not a slam, but I don't remember, or really care what you used to do. I asked you because you used to be cover by the IAM. Now, want to answer the question? The specific part I asked you about.

 

[700UW]

I all ready did:

I am all for safe planes, passengers and employees.

 

[Pi brat]

You are correct in that in any individual case it would be difficult if not impossible to prove. But they do not have to prove that. They only have to show the bigger pitcher which is obvious proof of a work slowdown led by the union.

I'd like to add it is not just the write up, but a late write up that lead to a delay of more then 14 minutes. When they show data that delays of less the 10 minutes where normal or even went down and delays of 15 minutes went up that will also be proof of a effort to achieve a desired goal.

How much time have you spent in a cockpit? If something pops up just before departure, would you have me ignore it?

There may be evidence of a slow down. It's obvious that our performance had gone way down hill. That evidence may be correct, or it may be incorrect. I'm a captain and NOT participating in any kind of job action, so I don't know. The thing is, the evidence that they company is using to point to a slowdown, may actually be evidence of another problem(s).

My point is that what the company is asking for is not in line with the FARsl, or smart.

And, don't you mean picture, not pitcher?

 

[Pi brat]

I all ready did:

That is a non-answer. Everyone if for that. Would you or would you not support a judge directing us to not make mechanical write-ups?

 

[700UW]

Its not my fight, but it is evident, there is more to this and you know it.

Look at the evidence filed in court.

 

[A320 Driver]

You are correct in that in any individual case it would be difficult if not impossible to prove. But they do not have to prove that. They only have to show the bigger pitcher which is obvious proof of a work slowdown led by the union.

I'd like to add it is not just the write up, but a late write up that lead to a delay of more then 14 minutes. When they show data that delays of less the 10 minutes where normal or even went down and delays of 15 minutes went up that will also be proof of a effort to achieve a desired goal.

I understand your point. But to generate the delays of less than 10 minutes many times involved a flight crew using a personal cell phone to get instructions to accomplish a reset. I am under NO compunction to do that. I see a fault, I can put it in the book and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it. I did the other at my own expense and initiative. Now, I choose not to. The FOM and the FARs do not require me to do that. How can a judge compell me to go past what is technically required of me? I'm already giving 100%.

I'll be really curious to see how that is worded...

Driver B)

 

[Pi brat]

Its not my fight, but it is evident, there is more to this and you know it.

Look at the evidence filed in court.

Really? You don't work here anymore, you are not a pilot, so you really don't have a clue.

That's fine, your non-answer says it all.

 

[A320 Driver]

Go ask the UA Pilots and Mechanics, go ask AA's Pilots and the former NWA Mechanics about Judges, Courts, TROs and Injunctions.

The company has deep pockets and lots of resources and filed DOCUMENTED proof of the increase of write ups, and slower taxi times.

You guys are your own worst enemies, everything you do on the plane is recorded and documented and the company has done their homework, what has Cleary and USAPA done except waste your dues money on pipe dreams?

This is not a sickout 700. That is pretty cut and dried. Which write ups would you like me to ignor? Actually it is to our advantage that everything in Airbus is recorded. They can decode the failures in maintenance with a time stamp and I can document when I found it.

The only homework the company has done is some charts and graphs. I've seen them. If you get into specifics, their case wilts like a mushroom in the sun.

The company has deep pockets because they took it from MY pocket and by God, I want it back. I don't expect all of it but I expect them to be fair. "Us guys" are in a job we aspired to unlike yourself. That is just one more reason for you to hate us while you pass out tools or parts or paper towels or whatever you do these days.

Driver B)

 

[Pi brat]

I'll be really curious to see how that is worded...

Driver B)

Me too. I think the company may get an injunction, because they are numbers people and they have a good chance of convincing a judge. But, I think it a huge mistake. I don't believe most of the pilots were participating, and they have alienated the rest of us. East anyway. Much like the fuel school.

 

[cleardirect]

This is not a sickout 700. That is pretty cut and dried. Which write ups would you like me to ignor? Actually it is to our advantage that everything in Airbus is recorded. They can decode the failures in maintenance with a time stamp and I can document when I found it.

The only homework the company has done is some charts and graphs. I've seen them. If you get into specifics, their case wilts like a mushroom in the sun.

The company has deep pockets because they took it from MY pocket and by God, I want it back. I don't expect all of it but I expect them to be fair. "Us guys" are in a job we aspired to unlike yourself. That is just one more reason for you to hate us while you pass out tools or parts or paper towels or whatever you do these days.

Driver B)

More arrogance. Looking down on someone because of what they do. Flying a plane does not make you a better person.

But you keep thinking that the company has no case. That way it will be a surprise when the judge rules. Just like LOA 93 is going to be a surprise and Nicolau was a surprise.

 

[700UW]

This is not a sickout 700. That is pretty cut and dried. Which write ups would you like me to ignor? Actually it is to our advantage that everything in Airbus is recorded. They can decode the failures in maintenance with a time stamp and I can document when I found it.

The only homework the company has done is some charts and graphs. I've seen them. If you get into specifics, their case wilts like a mushroom in the sun.

The company has deep pockets because they took it from MY pocket and by God, I want it back. I don't expect all of it but I expect them to be fair. "Us guys" are in a job we aspired to unlike yourself. That is just one more reason for you to hate us while you pass out tools or parts or paper towels or whatever you do these days.

Driver B)

UA Pilots and Mechanics had a TRO against them for a slowdown as did Mechanics at NW, guess you forgot I posted that, and APA applies to USAPA because the union did not do anything to stop the slowdown and actually encouraged it.

I dont hate pilots, I dislike people that are anti-worker and US East Pilots have proven over the years, they dont care about anyone except themselves and would sell their own Mother for money.

History shows us.