Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[NoYellowNeck]

Wow, look at the easties getting all pissy.

Bad week? 😀

 

[nic4us]

Wow, look at the easties getting all pissy.

Bad week? 😀

Maybe it would help solve their problems if they took out another USA Today ad!!!

 

[NoYellowNeck]

Ya. What's another $100k.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Or that I bought a new Harley for this summer's riding pleasure? Jim

???? A Harley? Jim Jim Jim. Come on.Why did you waste your money? Let me show you what a REAL bike looks like:

 

[SparrowHawk]

???? A Harley? Jim Jim Jim. Come on.Why did you waste your money? Let me show you what a REAL bike looks like:

rather push a Harley than ride a rice burner

 

[767one]

Hey wasn't Sully all about safety? Why isn't he your spokesman?

Yes Sully was/is all about safety. He has a fairly young family and now has the opportunity to enjoy them. In my opinion both the company and the union were trying to "use" him and I think he did the right thing distancing himself from both.

Regards,


Bob

 

[necigrad]

So, do you think it was a good thing for the company to ask the court for us to not make mech write-ups?

This was likely poor wording by the Company. Actually piss poor. I seem to recall, perhaps in the letter to employees that the issue wasn't MX writeups, but MX writeups just prior to push. I'm no legal expert but I'd bet that this is either a simple amendment to the complaint or something that can just be clarified by the Company before the Judge.

 

[autofixer]

This was likely poor wording by the Company. Actually piss poor. I seem to recall, perhaps in the letter to employees that the issue wasn't MX writeups, but MX writeups just prior to push. I'm no legal expert but I'd bet that this is either a simple amendment to the complaint or something that can just be clarified by the Company before the Judge.

In addition, is the judge going to order pilots to taxi faster than the Airmans Information Manual specifies, "A brisk walk"?

 

[nevergiveup]

In addition, is the judge going to order pilots to taxi faster than the Airmans Information Manual specifies, "A brisk walk"?

5 mph is a very, very brisk walk!

 

[BoeingBoy]

You gave out everything needed to look him up on the current seniority list and it wasn't him! He told you it wasn't him. I told you it wasn't him. Why was it removed? You are a liar and an all around scumbag.

If "he" isn't the person I believe "him" to be, as you claim, then I didn't give out "everything needed to look him [Nos/sum/Clax] up on the current seniority list" did I? I gave info about a different person according to you, something anyone with access to Wings could find for every East pilot if they wanted. So it's one of two things - you're right that I have the wrong person so I outed no one OR I'm right about Nos/sum/Clax's true identity.

"Outing" someone is to reveal the true identity behind the screen name - you claim that I didn't do that while continuing to claim that I outed Nos/sum/Clax. You can't have it both ways.

Of course you'd rather sling slurs than ever admit to being wrong... I hear that frustration will do that to people...

Jim

 

[Keroseneuser]

Not sure how the company is coming up blaming the pilots for cancelled flights due to maint. The last cancel I had was due to a broken item that was not able to be MEL'd. We wrote it up as soon as we received the A/C and discovered it on the walk around. Maint. inspected the airplane, then checked the MEL and confirmed that it was a no go item. Yet somehow things like this constitute a "Job Action" in the companies eyes????

In reading the injunction request it seems that the company is trying to force us to either violate an FAR by flying an un airworthy airplane or violate a court order by writing up broken equipment.

If some judge actually renders an injunction against writing up broken airworthy items, It seems our only choice will to be to stay home since nothing we can do would be a legal action. Aviation is very unforgiving to those that ignore basic safety. Each time the envelope is pushed it is a roll of the dice.

EDIT to remove a quote that was unintentional from another poster

 

[BoeingBoy]

???? A Harley? Jim Jim Jim. Come on.Why did you waste your money? Let me show you what a REAL bike looks like:

Not for an old man like me - I'm not even sure I could contort myself into the riding position for that thing without straining something. I'm all about comfort and leave the dazzling performance to you younger guys.

Jim

 

[CallawayGolf]

Not sure how the company is coming up blaming the pilots for cancelled flights due to maint. The last cancel I had was due to a broken item that was not able to be MEL'd. We wrote it up as soon as we received the A/C and discovered it on the walk around. Maint. inspected the airplane, then checked the MEL and confirmed that it was a no go item. Yet somehow things like this constitute a "Job Action" in the companies eyes????

In reading the injunction request it seems that the company is trying to force us to either violate an FAR by flying an un airworthy airplane or violate a court order by writing up broken equipment.

If some judge actually renders an injunction against writing up broken airworthy items, It seems our only choice will to be to stay home since nothing we can do would be a legal action. Aviation is very unforgiving to those that ignore basic safety. Each time the envelope is pushed it is a roll of the dice.

EDIT to remove a quote that was unintentional from another poster

The company's injunction request is to stop the violation of the status quo condition which began on May 1, 2011. All the court and the company will require is that the east pilots resume operations to the pre-status quo conditions. Assuming the judge isn't blind to the data, the question will be is USAPA up to the task of returing to the status quo, or will their sophomoric actions lead to large assessments to be paid by east pilots.

Blaming Maintenance or Management for the violation of status quo is either intentionally misleading or evidence of a colossal level of ignorance regarding the statistical facts presented by the Company.

 

[Keroseneuser]

The company's injunction request is to stop the violation of the status quo condition which began on May 1, 2011. All the court and the company will require is that the east pilots resume operations to the pre-status quo conditions. Assuming the judge isn't blind to the data, the question will be is USAPA up to the task of returing to the status quo, or will their sophomoric actions lead to large assessments to be paid by east pilots.

Blaming Maintenance or Management for the violation of status quo is either intentionally misleading or evidence of a colossal level of ignorance regarding the statistical facts presented by the Company.

How is writing up a broken item a violation of the status quo? My flight that cancelled was most likely one of the "9 out of 10" cancels referenced. The crew was assigned to fly an aircraft that was un airworthy according to the regulations and maint. We followed the procedures outlined in the company manuals and notified maint. as soon as it was discovered (on walk around just after receiving the aircraft at the gate) After approx an hour of working on the aircraft we were informed that the flight had been cancelled.

So by your statement above we were supposed to ignore an obvious broken airworthy item and fly the airplane in violation of FAR's and common sense?

 

[Res Judicata]

How is writing up a broken item a violation of the status quo? My flight that cancelled was most likely one of the "9 out of 10" cancels referenced. The crew was assigned to fly an aircraft that was un airworthy according to the regulations and maint. We followed the procedures outlined in the company manuals and notified maint. as soon as it was discovered (on walk around just after receiving the aircraft at the gate) After approx an hour of working on the aircraft we were informed that the flight had been cancelled.

So by your statement above we were supposed to ignore an obvious broken airworthy item and fly the airplane in violation of FAR's and common sense?

Will USAPA be taking out another full page ad in USA Today after they are slammed with a TRO on the 12th? (which is a virtual certainty)? Will the headline be something to the effect that the US Judicial system favors profits over safety? Now even the US Constitution is against the East pilots?

Why not? They've tried to pin their miserable careers on everything else.