Temporary Injunction against USAPA filed today

[CallawayGolf]

How is writing up a broken item a violation of the status quo? My flight that cancelled was most likely one of the "9 out of 10" cancels referenced. The crew was assigned to fly an aircraft that was un airworthy according to the regulations and maint. We followed the procedures outlined in the company manuals and notified maint. as soon as it was discovered (on walk around just after receiving the aircraft at the gate) After approx an hour of working on the aircraft we were informed that the flight had been cancelled.

So by your statement above we were supposed to ignore an obvious broken airworthy item and fly the airplane in violation of FAR's and common sense?

I truly hope you are just being coy concerning the blatant violation of the status quo for the sake of gaining sympathy in advance of the court cracking the whip on USAPA. Otherwise, I shudder to think of the dangers you might be willing to place passengers and other employees in by not writing up the same kind of maintenance issues that you used to say from September 27, 2005 till April 30, 2011. The injunction for status quo violations has nothing to do with that. It has to do with deliberate and quantifiable attempts to harm the airline’s operational and financial performance under the guise of safety which was invented by USAPA leadership as a negotiating technique. The company already knows what the regular maintenance delays and cancelation rates were prior to the status quo violations and they are requesting that USAPA stop their illegal conduct and return to company to its historical levels.

If your motivation is to harm the company, then you should expect court-approved repercussions for advancing USAPA’s illegal campaign. If you are truly ignorant of USAPA’s schemes and are not a member of the “I’m on Board” yellow lanyard brigade, then just do what you have always done to get your plane, passengers and crew where it is supposed to be safely and on-time if possible. If this is your situation, then you may still get caught in USAPA’s little game by either paying assessments for continued violations that you did not take part in (a peril of being in a represented class), or you may be terminated as a sacrificial lamb in the high-stakes game of chicken USAPA is playing with east pilot’s careers.

I’m sure I’ll never know where you fall in your level of support for USAPA and their illegal campaign, but the truth is USAPA has injured every pilot, every other workgroup and every stakeholder at US Airways with their nefarious conduct and they really don’t care who gets sacrificed along the way. Don’t like it? Then join up with your fellow east pilots who don’t want to pay for Cleary’s narcissism and take the necessary steps to have him or USAPA removed from power.

 

[cactusboy53]

How is writing up a broken item a violation of the status quo? My flight that cancelled was most likely one of the "9 out of 10" cancels referenced. The crew was assigned to fly an aircraft that was un airworthy according to the regulations and maint. We followed the procedures outlined in the company manuals and notified maint. as soon as it was discovered (on walk around just after receiving the aircraft at the gate) After approx an hour of working on the aircraft we were informed that the flight had been cancelled.

So by your statement above we were supposed to ignore an obvious broken airworthy item and fly the airplane in violation of FAR's and common sense?

Kero;
If these are the facts of YOUR flight, I would say that you & your crew have nothing to worry about. According to the reports / statistics though, there has been a precipitous uptick in maintenance write ups. That is a fact. It is also a fact that these upticks are on east aircraft (largely, documented by data).

Cleary is leading his lemming faithful off the cliff. If I were a USAPA supporter, I would have to ask myself if I was truly informed and educated (or did I choose not to read the volumes of legal documents & take Theuer's word for everything). I would also ask myself if I could afford to be terminated for any actions that my union leadership led me to believe were necessary. Some people in these types of organizations have income / businesses / other means of income, and may be able to sustain some time on the "island of goats" ......

 

[Keroseneuser]

Kero;
If these are the facts of YOUR flight, I would say that you & your crew have nothing to worry about. According to the reports / statistics though, there has been a precipitous uptick in maintenance write ups. That is a fact. It is also a fact that these upticks are on east aircraft (largely, documented by data).

Cleary is leading his lemming faithful off the cliff. If I were a USAPA supporter, I would have to ask myself if I was truly informed and educated (or did I choose not to read the volumes of legal documents & take Theuer's word for everything). I would also ask myself if I could afford to be terminated for any actions that my union leadership led me to believe were necessary. Some people in these types of organizations have income / businesses / other means of income, and may be able to sustain some time on the "island of goats" ......

I can only speak for the flights and aircraft that I have been assigned to fly. You mentioned the increased writeups etc, the issue that is bothering me is the increased number (large increase) of aircraft that I fly that are carrying MEL's that a year ago would not have been seen on an East airplane. It makes me wonder what the normal is for the West crews. In the late 80's and early 90's we took five hull losses in five years and we set upon "operation restore confidence" that was a 10 year maximum effort to shed ourselves of that stigma. We revamped checklists, procedures, training etc etc. to ensure that we would not have a repeat of that time. If it was an item that could in anyway fall into the catagory of "It will probably be ok" it got fixed...probably was not good enough after the 5.

I do not write up neusance items etc. But in the past few months I have seen a spoiler not retracting causing a 10 degree or more roll upon every actuation in flight go for at least a week before fixed, another A/C went for at least 2.5 weeks (the time between my flights in that one) that would overtemp both engines on TOGA takeoffs...every TOGA takeoff. That is a real attention getter when both engines go red at 30 feet at night with mountains all around you. One A/C dispatched from a maint base to the west coast on day 3 ops with only one TR functioning. These are just my personal experiences.
So the question that really bothers me? Is this normal ops for the west crews? It has never been that way on the east till now.

 

[luvn737s]

In addition, is the judge going to order pilots to taxi faster than the Airmans Information Manual specifies, "A brisk walk"?

The judge probably knows that its called the Aeronautical Information Manual and that the "brisk walk" recommendation was removed many years ago.

He might then ask you if you keep up with changes in aviation, as one would expect from a professional pilot.

 

[prechilill]

So what's up with calling in bomb threats? Is this another antic by a deranged USAPian (kinda like mailing dog dodo to yourself and claiming it was someone else)? Hmmm. Seems some easties are getting pretty angry. Maybe they're feeling a little boxed in. Queen to Queen-Bishop 7 CHECK... This thing is gonna blow... will we see USAPian parts flying every which way? OH BOY!!!

Got popcorn?

P.S. Bradfrog said ya'll don't need leverage, ya don't need the west. 😀

 

[aquagreen73s]

Not for an old man like me - I'm not even sure I could contort myself into the riding position for that thing without straining something. I'm all about comfort and leave the dazzling performance to you younger guys.

Jim

Fair enough! But to be honest, age is creeping in I think - it's hard anymore for me to do more than an hour without stopping and walking around. Exhilarating performance comes at the price of comfort.

 

[CallawayGolf]

So what's up with calling in bomb threats? Is this another antic by a deranged USAPian (kinda like mailing dog dodo to yourself and claiming it was someone else)? Hmmm. Seems some easties are getting pretty angry. Maybe they're feeling a little boxed in. Queen to Queen-Bishop 7 CHECK... This thing is gonna blow... will we see USAPian parts flying every which way? OH BOY!!!

Got popcorn?

P.S. Bradfrog said ya'll don't need leverage, ya don't need the west. 😀

Yes, and don't forget "we'll offer the company labor peace and a cost-neutral contract". I wonder who USAPA underestimated more, Management for not breaching the Transition Agreement or the West pilots for not giving in to the threats and intimidation of the east-only union?

 

[767one]

So what's up with calling in bomb threats? Is this another antic by a deranged USAPian (kinda like mailing dog dodo to yourself and claiming it was someone else)? Hmmm. Seems some easties are getting pretty angry. Maybe they're feeling a little boxed in. Queen to Queen-Bishop 7 CHECK... This thing is gonna blow... will we see USAPian parts flying every which way? OH BOY!!!

Got popcorn?

P.S. Bradfrog said ya'll don't need leverage, ya don't need the west. 😀

Or.....Maybe it could be one of our brothers or sisters from the west.

Bob

 

[767one]

I truly hope you are just being coy concerning the blatant violation of the status quo for the sake of gaining sympathy in advance of the court cracking the whip on USAPA. Otherwise, I shudder to think of the dangers you might be willing to place passengers and other employees in by not writing up the same kind of maintenance issues that you used to say from September 27, 2005 till April 30, 2011. The injunction for status quo violations has nothing to do with that. It has to do with deliberate and quantifiable attempts to harm the airline’s operational and financial performance under the guise of safety which was invented by USAPA leadership as a negotiating technique. The company already knows what the regular maintenance delays and cancelation rates were prior to the status quo violations and they are requesting that USAPA stop their illegal conduct and return to company to its historical levels.

If your motivation is to harm the company, then you should expect court-approved repercussions for advancing USAPA’s illegal campaign. If you are truly ignorant of USAPA’s schemes and are not a member of the “I’m on Board” yellow lanyard brigade, then just do what you have always done to get your plane, passengers and crew where it is supposed to be safely and on-time if possible. If this is your situation, then you may still get caught in USAPA’s little game by either paying assessments for continued violations that you did not take part in (a peril of being in a represented class), or you may be terminated as a sacrificial lamb in the high-stakes game of chicken USAPA is playing with east pilot’s careers.

I’m sure I’ll never know where you fall in your level of support for USAPA and their illegal campaign, but the truth is USAPA has injured every pilot, every other workgroup and every stakeholder at US Airways with their nefarious conduct and they really don’t care who gets sacrificed along the way. Don’t like it? Then join up with your fellow east pilots who don’t want to pay for Cleary’s narcissism and take the necessary steps to have him or USAPA removed from power.

I always wrote up airplanes with mtc issues and will continue to do so. If it is broken it is broken. Fix it mel it and if we agree we fly it otherwise cancel it. I don't know any other way to do it.



Bob

 

[nevergiveup]

So what's up with calling in bomb threats? Is this another antic by a deranged USAPian (kinda like mailing dog dodo to yourself and claiming it was someone else)? Hmmm. Seems some easties are getting pretty angry. Maybe they're feeling a little boxed in. Queen to Queen-Bishop 7 CHECK... This thing is gonna blow... will we see USAPian parts flying every which way? OH BOY!!!

Got popcorn?

P.S. Bradfrog said ya'll don't need leverage, ya don't need the west. 😀

Try not to get too excited. Relax....breath.....if you are on the bus and get an ecam, let the other guy handle it.

 

[prechilill]

Or.....Maybe it could be one of our brothers or sisters from the west.

Bob

Doing what? I don't understand your point.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Doing what? I don't understand your point.

I think he's implying that a West pilot could be responsible for phoning in the false threat or whatever it was that has caused two East flights to be delayed. Trouble with that theory is that the only entity with totally clean hands is the West. All along we've played by the rules, even when facing scurrilous and unfounded accusations by our own union and having union resources being used against us. Every time the West has been exonerated.

I bet the feds do get to the bottom of this, and like everything else . . .the bread crumb trail will lead east.

 

[Pi brat]

I think he's implying that a West pilot could be responsible for phoning in the false threat or whatever it was that has caused two East flights to be delayed. Trouble with that theory is that the only entity with totally clean hands is the West. All along we've played by the rules, even when facing scurrilous and unfounded accusations by our own union and having union resources being used against us. Every time the West has been exonerated.

I bet the feds do get to the bottom of this, and like everything else . . .the bread crumb trail will lead east.

You know what AW, it's posts like this that really make me think that I made a mistake letting a little issue I came across in LAS last month pass.


The last threat I heard about against and airliner was made by an irate passenger, and God knows we produce a ton of those.

Here's just a really wild, crazy ass idea-let's let the people in charge of things like that figure out what happened before we hang someone. What do you say?

 

[Pi brat]

I truly hope you are just being coy concerning the blatant violation of the status quo for the sake of gaining sympathy in advance of the court cracking the whip on USAPA.

If what was happening prior to May of this year was wrong, should we still go back to it? Let's say the company employs Dr. lee to run the stats on mech write ups in maint. bases vs. non-maint. bases and see if it looks like things were being carried. If the company knew that pilots were operating outside of their own guidance, doesn't that make them wrong? Didn't they have the obligation to direct their pilots to operate as directed in the FOM? Or heck, let's just take a look the west operating now.

 

[Pi brat]

This was likely poor wording by the Company. Actually piss poor. I seem to recall, perhaps in the letter to employees that the issue wasn't MX writeups, but MX writeups just prior to push. I'm no legal expert but I'd bet that this is either a simple amendment to the complaint or something that can just be clarified by the Company before the Judge.

You know what, I think you might be the first person to acknowledge that. Thanks.

But here's a question: How many of those write-ups were found to not be valid? The FOM contains no cut-off time for writing up a defective item. Sure, some guys may have waited, but I would say that most did not, because this outfit could not run as well as it has if too many guys did that.

I had just such an item today, and it went through my mind "I wonder if I will get a call about this". I still did what I KNOW was the right thing and wrote it up, but I shouldn't have to worry and be distracted by that kind of thing.

There have been certain behaviors going on at this airline for years. Ever since the east didn't get pay parity. Maybe they happened before Mr. Isom showed up, show there has been no change to notice!

This place is off track, and the west pilots are helping with that. You guys have your noses so far up management's backsides, hoping to make us look really bad. Do you think when this is over you will be able to pull it out and not have a stink? You're next.