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Tadir, but I am glad you did. You confuse (or choose to use) the 'hate' mongering dogma.
I’ll take your ‘post’ in sincerity and share with you ‘MY’ experiences as well:
First of all, I do not ‘hate’ you or any other human being (just like I am), and if you imply that I do not know what I speak, how so? I grew up (late teens) in a GAY friendly community in the late 60’s and had some great ‘GAY’ friends. Do I have to be ‘GAY’ to understand?
Being a radical ‘teen’ I went with some ‘GAY’ friends to a party once with promises of chicks, weed and beer. Weed and booze were as advertised (plus some microdot) but the ‘Chicks’ were not to be found but promised to arrive ‘later’. Some of my friends did not bother to wait and started getting ‘high’ and way out of control. My Long Time Bud (married my 1st Cuz 30+ years ago) and I sipped our beer (err and maybe some weed 😛h34r: ) waiting for “Da’ Chicks and after awhile, looked at each other, the situation and decided to split (we went roller skating).
From that point forward we started avoiding our ‘GAY’ friends. Does this make me a bigot?
OK, being in the SF Bay Area, I went to see, and it were not pretty (so to speak)…😛
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I hear what you say, but just like us Christians having WACO, Johnstown Massacre and many other nuts that make the rest of us look bad, and you have albatross’ as well (this being just one).
The GLBT as an “ORGANization†that passes out propaganda and disinformation. They are of negative value as they “promote†the ‘gay’ life choice and demote heterosexuality. Somewhere in the last 40 years, being GBLT went from deviant behavior to an ‘alternate lifestyle’ and is now obfuscated into ‘sexual orientation’.
Sexual orientation? WTF is that? If you are confused of your ‘sex’ just look between your legs! You are either an innie or an outie, no doubts about it!
I understand how you can not see this and you will never understand why I do.
I agree, it is wayyyy to easy to Marry ‘and’ Divorce, if a law comes up on one of these subjects, count me in! Your ‘rights’ under the laws are protected ‘today’ without being married. In some respects, the ‘Domestic Partner’ scam is much more appealing than marriage. But nonetheless in the GBLT pious manner, you are not satisfied with that.
So do I! You know, I really do not GAS what consenting adults do in their own homes until you tell me mine is wrong and yours is right! You do know I live in the SF Bay area? I have neighbors that are G&L and we all get along just fine. Anytime you need help moving furniture or want to borrow my lawn mower, just ask.
Just keep your hands off of my Tool and I will not thump you with my Bible!
I agree (except with the over simplified inference)! The world is getting nuttier, more decadent and way out of control. The ‘PARENTING’ of ‘our’ society is lacking, on ‘many’ levels, sexual immorality being just one.
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Let’s get to ‘Another’ part of the issues:
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Prop 22 was voted in by the people and for the people in a popular election vote. The GLBT organizations, lobbyists, and liberal judges overturned the will of the majority.
(U knows democratic society N’Chit).
Prop 8 went into litigation from minute 1.
You want to see examples of ‘hate and bigotry’, take a look at the GBLT “ORGANization†agenda.
The ‘Domestic Partnership’ laws have been written into almost every law and ‘social’ code in the country (State and Federal).
Domestic Partnership does not include heterosexual couples with the argument that Heterosexuals can marry but the (GBLT) can not.
Is that ‘fair and equal’?
In some aspects, I would agree, with one noticeable exception: For a couple to dissolve a ‘Marriage’, it takes a judge, “typically†lawyers, and a lot of $cratch. To dissolve a domestic partnership takes a form (Notice of Termination with the Secretary of State).
Is that ‘fair and equal’?
When Prop 22 was overturned by the California State Supreme Court, there was not a great rush for GBLT to get ‘married’, in part, because the flexibility of the domestic partnership far outweighed the ramifications that a full blown ‘Marriage’ does. During the period that Prop 22 was overturned until Prop 8 was voted in, the GBLT community enjoyed both Marriage and Domestic Partnerships.
Is that ‘fair and equal’?
The GBLT “ORGANization†is in litigation to overturn Prop 8 and may very well succeed. If they do, then ‘ALL’ domestic partnership language and rights should become null and void within 30 days of decision unless the couple gets married (better start working on your pre-nuptials). 😛
The GBLT “ORGANization†is throwing this ‘label’ around trying to garnishee public opinion to promote FEAR and “GUILT’.
If you want to see ‘bigotry and hate’ just read some of the other posters around here and look no further than the GBLT “ORGANization†movement.
GOD Bless,
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Outrageous response to the Vote outcome!!! :down:
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Perhaps hate is too strong a term but it seems obvious from the use of the term ‘deviant’ and ‘obfuscated’ that you have distain for the gay community and would prefer that they did not exist.
While you may have had ‘gay’ friends’ I would suggest that you were not paying attention. I have numerous gay friends and I have yet to meet one who is unsure of their sexual identity/gender. Orientation in the context of homosexuality has nothing to do with being male or female. It has to do with sexual preference.
So do I! You know, I really do not GAS what consenting adults do in their own homes until you tell me mine is wrong and yours is right! You do know I live in the SF Bay area? I have neighbors that are G&L and we all get along just fine. Anytime you need help moving furniture or want to borrow my lawn mower, just ask.
Just keep your hands off of my Tool and I will not thump you with my Bible!
How does asking for equal rights have any bearing on your life?
No it is not. Human/civil rights should not be subject to 50%+1. Had women and blacks not fought tooth and nail for equal representation under the law, who knows where our society would be.
Seems like an argument for equal rights. If domestic partnership is so unfair then get rid of it and have one standard for all. Better yet, get marriage out of the public sector and put it back in church where it belongs. The states will only have civil unions and any two human of consenting age can have one. That way religion gets to maintain the integrity of marriage and the state gets out of religion and only deals with the legal aspects of a civil union. But nonetheless in the extreme religious right pious manner, you are not satisfied with that.
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The folks who vandalized the truck should be charged and fined/jailed. As the for the rest. Not sure what's wrong with protesting results one finds objectionable. I thought that is what the US was all about?
Bigotry and Hate
See, it runs on both sides, and I'm not presuming that your intent was to say I should be lumped in with the link you posted any more than you are to be lumped in with the link I posted. It is out there though and sometimes, to the detriment of all, the lines start to blur when you get the extremeists on both sides.
I also do not think that the response to the Prop 8 vote is outrageous. While I do not condone violence (and have not actively seen it being advocated on any of the sites I frequent) it does happen when tempers get heated and those who commit these crimes (on both sides) should be punished to the fullest extent of the laws. On the other hand, all legal means necessary should be addressed in order to correct this wrong (in my opinion, I know many on here differ). However, without showing our upset, how are we to change things? Would you have said that sitting on the bus or not marching on DC or the women suffrage marches were also outrageous responses to something that people (in their opinion) seemed to think were outrageous to them? Isnt that part of what helped form this country? Being able to express yourself and your feelings when you think you or others have been wronged and to help bring change to make things better? Or would some of you rather us just shut up and take it or move to another country if we dont like the way things are going?
See, it runs on both sides, and I'm not presuming that your intent was to say I should be lumped in with the link you posted any more than you are to be lumped in with the link I posted. It is out there though and sometimes, to the detriment of all, the lines start to blur when you get the extremeists on both sides.
I also do not think that the response to the Prop 8 vote is outrageous. While I do not condone violence (and have not actively seen it being advocated on any of the sites I frequent) it does happen when tempers get heated and those who commit these crimes (on both sides) should be punished to the fullest extent of the laws. On the other hand, all legal means necessary should be addressed in order to correct this wrong (in my opinion, I know many on here differ). However, without showing our upset, how are we to change things? Would you have said that sitting on the bus or not marching on DC or the women suffrage marches were also outrageous responses to something that people (in their opinion) seemed to think were outrageous to them? Isnt that part of what helped form this country? Being able to express yourself and your feelings when you think you or others have been wronged and to help bring change to make things better? Or would some of you rather us just shut up and take it or move to another country if we dont like the way things are going?
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I agree, these ‘folks’ are ‘way’ on the nutty side for me. Never seeing this site before, so I looked at their ‘crap’ and came to the conclusion that they hate ‘everybody’ whom does not think as they do, and that would include me. Fortunately, even though they ‘call’ themselves Baptists, no one will have anything to do with them.
How so? The democratic process was used, people voted and here is the outcome.
Hopefully, the nut cases on ‘all’ sides will not influence ‘reasonable’ people into their ‘hate’ propaganda. But ‘hate’ and fear are very compelling forces of control for people that do not take the time to think/educate themselves (on all sides of the spectrum). I do not condone violence unless it is in self protection or protection of someone else (on either side of the issue), especially the weaker of the foray (which may include you and/or someone that you love) then you better shoot me!
You see this as a ‘wrong’ and I see it as a democratic process that reflects the voting rights of individuals.
Concise (but an encompassing) question with a ‘very’ complicated answer. I am not going to ‘philosophically’ pick apart your question but I will ask as to your reference as to ‘WE’.
‘WE’ as the GBLT (LBGT… err whatever) or
‘WE’ as Christians or
‘WE’ as animals or
‘WE’ as sentient human beings?
Therein lays our diametrically opposed positions. Women and ethnics never had a choice. Women will always be women and ethnics will always be ethnic.
YOU have a ‘CHOICE’!
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JMHO, do not move to the Middle East or your first ‘outing’ will be your last day on ‘earth’!
B) xUT
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Yes fear is a strong motivator. It was used in the effort to prevent women from getting equal rights and it was used to prevent blacks from getting equal rights. Now it is being used to prevent gays from having equal rights. Fortunately, it will be hust as successful in the long run as it was in the afore mentioned efforts.
A persons civil rights should not be something that people get to vote on. One day, your beliefs may fall into disfavor with the majority. Do you believe they should be able to vote on whether you are able to do/believe/act/dress/speak ...
You choose to be straight? What a load of crap. I never choose to be straight. I just remember seeing a picture of a naked woman when I was young and I got a woody. Really simple. There was no conscious decision about it. How someone can be so obtuse as to believe that someone would choose to be gay and subjected to all the ridicule, harassment, civil rights violations, physical threats, bigotry and who knows what has got to be the most insane thing I have heard.
Please tell us, when did you choose to be straight? Are you going to tell Cheney that his daughter chose to be gay? Let me know when you are going to do that will you, I want to see Cheney snap your neck like a pencil. Do you think the kid who was tied up on a fence and killed a few years back chose to be gay? Where the hell do you get off telling someone else that they chose to be gay? I have/had numerous gay friends and not a single one of them has chosen to be gay. They have all said if they could choose they would choose to be straight. It's a hell of a lot easier. Your arrogance to speak of things with such conviction is truly disgusting. Your condescension, bias and veiled hatred are a perfect example of what is wrong with religious extremest. People such as your self are the exact reason why gays will gain equal rights.
Prop 8 only passed by 4%. Last time in 2000 it was close to 30%. Younger people are voting more and more. They are not filled with the hatred and fear that your generation has. They are open minded and believe that all people should have the same rights. One or two more votes and CA will recognize that gays do have the same rights as the rest of the population.
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