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SharoninSAT
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The Armor of God
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.
MapleLeaf
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I find it appalling that an event like this is happening in 2008.
Equal marriage for gays and lesbians is no threat to opposite sex marriages. To deny someone basic rights on who they are speaks volumes on how far the U.S. has to go on matters of civil rights.
It wasn't until the 11 or 1200's that marriage became a church institution; prior to that it was a civil (state) function. Although I am a minister I do wish that marriage would go back to the state with couples then having the option for a religious blessing after.
When did Christianity become about denying rights to others instead of giving a hand up to those in need?
Equal marriage for gays and lesbians is no threat to opposite sex marriages. To deny someone basic rights on who they are speaks volumes on how far the U.S. has to go on matters of civil rights.
It wasn't until the 11 or 1200's that marriage became a church institution; prior to that it was a civil (state) function. Although I am a minister I do wish that marriage would go back to the state with couples then having the option for a religious blessing after.
When did Christianity become about denying rights to others instead of giving a hand up to those in need?
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Cosworth
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Nah, I think I'll pass. I do not support groups who wish to deny civil rights to US citizens. Smacks of fascism and bigotry to me.
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Cosworth
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When religion tries to stick it's nose into public policy by limiting the rights of other via law I call it biggory and fascism. You may call it what ever you choose.
Religion let the term/meaning of marriage be integrated into society. They never foresaw the possibilty that there are others in the world that are not in agreement with their policies and would seek to change the intents of 'marriage'. OH well ... tough crap for them.
Marriage is no longer a religious institution in so far as the legal aspect of it is concerned as you pointed out. When I wen tot get our 'marriage' license, there were no other options available. This was the asiest and as far as I know, the only way for my wife and I to gain the legal rights of 'marriage'.
I have yet to see any church or religious organization request or urge the removal of the term marriage from the legal contract to which you refer. I doubt we will ever see that happen as then the religious right would loose any leverage they have in controlling who may and may not get 'married'. When 'marriage' goes private then the term marriage will loose all it's meaning because at that point, anyone/thing could get married. A man could wed his dog or his car. It would carry no legal standing. The term marriage would have the same meaning as a widget.
All people would get a union license, and by all I do mean all. Two men, two women, a man and a woman. As far as I understand, all laws must treat all people the same to be constitutionally sound. Religious institutions can do as they please.
Of course, this is unlikely to happen because religion currently relies on the government to keep their marriage 'pure'. Religion needs government control over marriage because religion by it's self cannot control who get's married.
I do not see it as a tough call at all. Marriage is a lega contract pure and simple, as such, anyone of consenting age should be able to enter into such a contract with the partner of their choosing. To deny those rights is fascist and bigoted.
Please share how my advocacy of allowing equal rights to everyone is bigoted or fascist? I have never said that someone may not believe anything they choose in the privacy of their home or in any private organization. I could care less what others believe, so long as their beliefs do not carry legal standing which woul deprive me of equal rights.
Religion let the term/meaning of marriage be integrated into society. They never foresaw the possibilty that there are others in the world that are not in agreement with their policies and would seek to change the intents of 'marriage'. OH well ... tough crap for them.
Marriage is no longer a religious institution in so far as the legal aspect of it is concerned as you pointed out. When I wen tot get our 'marriage' license, there were no other options available. This was the asiest and as far as I know, the only way for my wife and I to gain the legal rights of 'marriage'.
I have yet to see any church or religious organization request or urge the removal of the term marriage from the legal contract to which you refer. I doubt we will ever see that happen as then the religious right would loose any leverage they have in controlling who may and may not get 'married'. When 'marriage' goes private then the term marriage will loose all it's meaning because at that point, anyone/thing could get married. A man could wed his dog or his car. It would carry no legal standing. The term marriage would have the same meaning as a widget.
All people would get a union license, and by all I do mean all. Two men, two women, a man and a woman. As far as I understand, all laws must treat all people the same to be constitutionally sound. Religious institutions can do as they please.
Of course, this is unlikely to happen because religion currently relies on the government to keep their marriage 'pure'. Religion needs government control over marriage because religion by it's self cannot control who get's married.
I do not see it as a tough call at all. Marriage is a lega contract pure and simple, as such, anyone of consenting age should be able to enter into such a contract with the partner of their choosing. To deny those rights is fascist and bigoted.
Please share how my advocacy of allowing equal rights to everyone is bigoted or fascist? I have never said that someone may not believe anything they choose in the privacy of their home or in any private organization. I could care less what others believe, so long as their beliefs do not carry legal standing which woul deprive me of equal rights.
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Cosworth
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Not sure what you are asking. We we married by a JP. No religion in the ceremony what so ever. That has no bearing on the fact that 'marriage' is universally considered as a religious institution rather than a legal contractual agreement. That is why religion wants to be able to maintain control via government of who can/cannot get married. More to your point, had I been gay I would not have been allowed to enter into a marriage contract with my partner. That is how religion is controlling the institution.
I do not believe quotas or affirmative action (the way it is currently carried out is in the best interest of anyone. I tend to agree with Clarance Thomas when he said that someone hired by affirmative action will always have the stigma follow them. Having said that, we do still live in a racist/sexist/bigoted society where minorities routinely get the short end of the stick.
Get this straight......the marriage license is nothing more than a tax.No religion involved.Think about it.
You were bringing up equality in all law and I infer there is no equality when Uncle Sam steps in.look into 'programs' and how many discriminate in the interest of 'making it right'.By who's account?
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UAL_TECH
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I find all of this quite telling. The same pundits of democracy would like to stop my democratic right to assembly and voting for what I believe is right. Now, because you disagree with my position, I am labeled as a bigot and fascist. Some of you may well look at your positions before you start chastising mine.
What some of you have posted in anger with my position only strengthens my belief. You see, I am not doing this out of hate or spite. I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I do not recognize homosexuality as a ‘normal’ lifestyle. Quite simple really. I am not here bashing anyone but it is what I believe and I am taking action to follow up on my belief. I spend my own time and money to do so and unlike some of the posters here, I do it out of ‘LOVE’ as I hate no-one. I pray for those that hate me that they look into their own hearts and search for their own answer.
Since I have been labeled as a ‘bigot’, I am also bigoted against child molestation, bestiality, murder and a great number of many deviant behaviors.
Some of you should go back and read Piney Bob’s post as well.
Take Care,
B) xUT
What some of you have posted in anger with my position only strengthens my belief. You see, I am not doing this out of hate or spite. I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I do not recognize homosexuality as a ‘normal’ lifestyle. Quite simple really. I am not here bashing anyone but it is what I believe and I am taking action to follow up on my belief. I spend my own time and money to do so and unlike some of the posters here, I do it out of ‘LOVE’ as I hate no-one. I pray for those that hate me that they look into their own hearts and search for their own answer.
Since I have been labeled as a ‘bigot’, I am also bigoted against child molestation, bestiality, murder and a great number of many deviant behaviors.
Some of you should go back and read Piney Bob’s post as well.
Take Care,
B) xUT
Big difference: those actions have a direct and negative impact on other people. Allowing homosexuals to get married would have NO impact on those that do not have a homosexual marriage.
Top 17 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong
17. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
16. Gay culture is a new fad created by the liberal media to undermine long-standing traditions. We know this is true because gay sex did not exist in ancient Greece and Rome.
15. There are plenty of straight families looking to adopt, and every unwanted child already has a loving family. This is why foster care does not exist.
14. Conservatives know best how to create strong families. That is why it is not true that Texas and Mississippi have the highest teen birthrates, and Massachusetts, Vermont, and New Hampshire have the lowest. This is a myth spread by the liberal media.
13. Marriage is a religious institution, defined by churches. This is why atheists do not marry. Christians also never get a divorce.
12. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why our society has no single parents.
11. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
10. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
9. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
8. Gay marriage should be decided by the people and their elected representatives, not the courts. The framers checked the courts, which represent mainstream public opinion, with legislatures created to protect the rights of minorities from the tyranny of the majority. Interference by courts in this matter is inappropriate, just as it has been every time the courts have tried to hold back legislatures pushing for civil rights.
7. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
6. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because "separate but equal" institutions are a good way to satisfy the demands of uppity minority groups.
5. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
4. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
3. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
2. Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
1. METEORS and VOLCANOES.
17. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
16. Gay culture is a new fad created by the liberal media to undermine long-standing traditions. We know this is true because gay sex did not exist in ancient Greece and Rome.
15. There are plenty of straight families looking to adopt, and every unwanted child already has a loving family. This is why foster care does not exist.
14. Conservatives know best how to create strong families. That is why it is not true that Texas and Mississippi have the highest teen birthrates, and Massachusetts, Vermont, and New Hampshire have the lowest. This is a myth spread by the liberal media.
13. Marriage is a religious institution, defined by churches. This is why atheists do not marry. Christians also never get a divorce.
12. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why our society has no single parents.
11. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
10. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
9. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
8. Gay marriage should be decided by the people and their elected representatives, not the courts. The framers checked the courts, which represent mainstream public opinion, with legislatures created to protect the rights of minorities from the tyranny of the majority. Interference by courts in this matter is inappropriate, just as it has been every time the courts have tried to hold back legislatures pushing for civil rights.
7. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
6. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because "separate but equal" institutions are a good way to satisfy the demands of uppity minority groups.
5. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
4. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
3. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
2. Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
1. METEORS and VOLCANOES.
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