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UAL_TECH
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Tech,
You missed the mark.
Garf posted before the VT decision.
'If' you do not think it is about 'religion' then you might want to recalibrate your gimbal...
B)
Tech,
You missed the mark.
Garf posted before the VT decision.
'If' you do not think it is about 'religion' then you might want to recalibrate your gimbal...
B)
I have not read the VT decision.
I was referring to the Iowa decision.
That is the only one I have studied. My apologies... 🙁
Garfield1966
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Yes we are talking about Civil Unions. The term would replace the term marriage and carry the same rights and obligations as marriage currently does.
Most people who I know could care less who gets married/civil union. Whether Tom and John, Mary and Alice or Adam and Tina get 'married' has no affect on my life and I could care less. The fact that some religious whack jobs do and are able to deprive equal rights to a segment of society is a perfect example of what is wrong with this nation. But as various states are showing, we are progressing and we will eventually move beyond this bigotry as well. Law get modified every day. Life and technology change all the time and laws need to keep up. So when the time comes to modify what ever replaces marriage, so be it. A union is a contract just like any other. Contracts get modified all the time.
I'm fully aware that the idea of religion has been twisted to suit ones purpose for quite some time. That is one of the reasons that I have never had any use for religion in my life.
And all of you knuckleheads always use your religion to justify your bigotry against same sex marriage. The bible is not part of the USSC. Show me where in the USSC it says that it is OK for laws in the US to discriminate against a segment of society. Fourteenth amendment says that
That seems pretty clear to me.
Considering that this comes from a religion that put Galileo Galilei on trial for saying the earth was not the center of the universe, burned witches at the stake, derived native americans of basic civil rights because they were savage heathens, Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, and the list goes on. Yea I would definitely say Christians as well as other religions are close minded self centered arrogant people.
The fact that bad things have happened in the world with out the encouragement of religion does not absolve religion of it's guilt and responsibility. The fact that good happens every day with out religion proves that good does not require religion to exist.
What does getting a hummer have to do with anything?
Piney,
Not sure what you meant by wondering if the legal system could handle the load. Changing terms is a mere formality. Nothing else changes other than any two humans can have a union. Religion takes over the marriage and can do what they want. Legally the only thing that changes is the name of the contract from marriage to Union.
Most people who I know could care less who gets married/civil union. Whether Tom and John, Mary and Alice or Adam and Tina get 'married' has no affect on my life and I could care less. The fact that some religious whack jobs do and are able to deprive equal rights to a segment of society is a perfect example of what is wrong with this nation. But as various states are showing, we are progressing and we will eventually move beyond this bigotry as well. Law get modified every day. Life and technology change all the time and laws need to keep up. So when the time comes to modify what ever replaces marriage, so be it. A union is a contract just like any other. Contracts get modified all the time.
I'm fully aware that the idea of religion has been twisted to suit ones purpose for quite some time. That is one of the reasons that I have never had any use for religion in my life.
And all of you knuckleheads always use your religion to justify your bigotry against same sex marriage. The bible is not part of the USSC. Show me where in the USSC it says that it is OK for laws in the US to discriminate against a segment of society. Fourteenth amendment says that
That seems pretty clear to me.
Considering that this comes from a religion that put Galileo Galilei on trial for saying the earth was not the center of the universe, burned witches at the stake, derived native americans of basic civil rights because they were savage heathens, Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, and the list goes on. Yea I would definitely say Christians as well as other religions are close minded self centered arrogant people.
The fact that bad things have happened in the world with out the encouragement of religion does not absolve religion of it's guilt and responsibility. The fact that good happens every day with out religion proves that good does not require religion to exist.
What does getting a hummer have to do with anything?
Piney,
Not sure what you meant by wondering if the legal system could handle the load. Changing terms is a mere formality. Nothing else changes other than any two humans can have a union. Religion takes over the marriage and can do what they want. Legally the only thing that changes is the name of the contract from marriage to Union.
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UAL_TECH
Guest
No harm, no foul.
I see of late that you are taking law courses, good for you!
But at least keep on track, OK?
B) xUT
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UAL_TECH
Guest
I will do my best, friend... :mellow:
Garfield1966
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I will continue to voice my opinion as long as you post your drivel. You say that changing the laws to allow same sex marriage will open a Pandora box yet provide nothing to show how this will harm anything. I contend that allowing same sex marriage will not alter the fabric of society one iota. You provide no evidence, anecdotal or other wise to show how same sex marriage will affect your life or anyone else. Will the affect be like second hand smoke where you could end up dying? Or is this more like looking at something that just turns you off? If it's the former, please provide proof, if it's the later, just don't look. Last time I checked, someone not liking something is not grounds for legal action preventing it. The USSC does not support your beliefs and I'll be here to speak mine mind as long as I choose to do so.
SharoninSAT
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Garf, why don't you just give it up !!! :blink:
Marriage is (still) a vow before God to join
a Man and a Woman.
It is that...in the eyes of most religions (whatever one you decide to align yourself with).
It is a completely different thing as far as the law is concerned, as was expressly pointed out in the Iowa decision.
I have been involved in a spirited debate over this issue in one of my courses over the last week.
I will post an analogy that was posted by my Professor that made sense. It is rather simplistic, but hey whatever works...
I really encourage all to actually read this decision. It is extremely well written and takes the reader through the process the court took in arriving at their decision.
On a side note; the college I attend is a very conservative institution, yet all (out of a class of 20+) of my fellow students agreed with the Iowa decision, even though almost all do not agree with same sex marriage.
Garfield1966
Veteran
I do not believe in your god or your religion. Your god and your religion have no business in state affairs. Slowly but surely religion is being removed from public affairs and being made private as faith should be. Soon, any two people who choose to have a civil union equal to a marriage as far as the law is concerned will be able to do so. You might as well get used to that.
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nuclearfission
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As you do not have to believe in "your god, your religion", as you say, that is your right. However, your tone tells a COMPLETELY different story.
If I were you garfield, you may not want to "get used to" the "get used to it" mantra. I think you may be just a little surprised......... :unsure: :huh: :huh: :huh:
Garfield1966
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Perhaps but since 4 states have already allowed same sex marriage and CA is headed that way it gives me hope that the US will out grow this as well. We have made huge steps in regard to sexism and racism, this too shall pass.
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and one more thing ,
if two dudes and two chicks can get hitched , then i see NO reason a man can't have more than one wife and or vice versa ....
if i want 3 wives i should be able to have three wives , and if you don't like it then you should mind your own bussiness .
if two dudes and two chicks can get hitched , then i see NO reason a man can't have more than one wife and or vice versa ....
if i want 3 wives i should be able to have three wives , and if you don't like it then you should mind your own bussiness .
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nuclearfission
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You missed the point completely. I've noticed you have mentioned "same sex/gay marriage" several other times throughout other topics/posts. Good for you. If that is your cup of tea, drink from it. I really don't care, as MOST Americans do not. Are there some who are on the "fringe".....and "cringe"(pretty good verbage,eh?), at the thought? Yes, indeed!!
The fundamental difference between what you believe, and someone like myself believes, is morality. I am not a religious, right wing zealot, as you and that Bear character, yea, and TECH, seem to always allude to. I do not go to church at all, but, I believe, in the principles that I was raised on. At this stage of life, I may disagree with church views, but agree with the moral stance behind the principle of the teachings.
Yes, we can go into pedophile Priests, corruption, the Christian Crusades, whatever...yada..yada..yada..Start another thread.
If a Government cannot base a law on religious principles, as you believe, where does the basis for that law come from??.....You?? Or is it just whatever fits for the time, or moment?
If you do not understand that last question, you haven't a clue of the SOLE being of our unique Constitutional Republic.
Thank you
Garfield1966
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How about do unto others? How about if it does not infringe on your rights, leave it alone? If we are to base laws on your religious beliefs what about the beliefs of all the others out there? You seem to believe that religion is the basis of morality. I dissagree with that. Morality is based on self interest. I do not want to be murdered, so I will not murder someone else in the hope that I will not be hurt. I will not steal your stuff so you don't steal my stuff. You driving 100mph on a race track does not affect me so why should I care? You smoking in the privacy of your home does not affect me so why should I care? You wanting to run around naked at a nudist camp does not affect me so why should I care. Why should a law be imposed to restrict any of those actions? I may not agree with them and I may find your actions 'morally' objectionable but it does not affect me and I have no right to restrict you actions.
Sam sex marriage does not affect me. It does not affect the status of my marriage. It does not affect my beliefs. Two of my best friends got married and my life has not changed one iota. Two of my hetero friends got divorced and my life has not been affected one iota. Why should a law be imposed to prohibit either action?
For me it is a very simple question. Were I in the other persons shoes, would I feel the same way. If someone told you that you could not marry the person you loved, would that be OK with you? I know my answer would be no. Emphatically no. So if it is not OK for me, then I see no reason why I should think it is OK for you or any one else.
Sam sex marriage does not affect me. It does not affect the status of my marriage. It does not affect my beliefs. Two of my best friends got married and my life has not changed one iota. Two of my hetero friends got divorced and my life has not been affected one iota. Why should a law be imposed to prohibit either action?
For me it is a very simple question. Were I in the other persons shoes, would I feel the same way. If someone told you that you could not marry the person you loved, would that be OK with you? I know my answer would be no. Emphatically no. So if it is not OK for me, then I see no reason why I should think it is OK for you or any one else.
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