Things that may happen in a merger.

[UPNAWAY]

• PHX will become a focus city like DCA, eventually corp & all back offices gone. They may keep Rez.

• Pit is done for, they could keep Base MX but I doubt it.

• Welcome back Sabre

• American Airlines will be the name going forward

• US Airways livery colors with American and the eagle.

• CLT will loose most int'l flights to MIA

• Empower MX gets a bigger roll, is Sceptre gone?

• For most employees this will be a good thing

• For US Airways share holders this will be easy money in the short haul

And last but not least I hope they offer a very good buyout and we can once and for all get ride of the malcontents!

 

[Keroseneuser]

• PHX will become a focus city like DCA, eventually corp & all back offices gone. They may keep Rez.

• Pit is done for, they could keep Base MX but I doubt it.

• Welcome back Sabre

• American Airlines will be the name going forward

• US Airways livery colors with American and the eagle.

• CLT will loose most int'l flights to MIA

• Empower MX gets a bigger roll, is Sceptre gone?

• For most employees this will be a good thing

• For US Airways share holders this will be easy money in the short haul

And last but not least I hope they offer a very good buyout and we can once and for all get ride of the malcontents!

Some other possibles;

Doug honors the deal he cut with AA labor groups, but he has no intention of extending that to current airways.

Doug runs it as 3 airlines and uses us east and us west as feeders (express if you wish)

Doug says what he needs to say to get the deal done then oops, fuel prices went up or any of the other list of reasons we have seen for changing what they say they will do into what they do. Remember the furloughs of 2009. Told the guys they would not be furloughed if fuel prices went down in company wide distributed letter. Well fuel prices went way down yet the folks still got furloughed.

Personal views on USAPA that we see on this this board good or bad you all have to ask yourself this.....If Doug had even the slightest intention of offering Delta +3 to his current airline AFA, IAM, USAPA etc would have at least been in the loop somewhere along the way. I think the reason none of the current airways employee groups have even been sent a text on the subject(that we know of, though there is the mystery USAPA elect officers trip to PHX) is very telling of how this thing is going to go in tempe's grand plan. I don't think the current work groups concern him much simply because we are not included in anything he has been working out with APA.

What communication the USAirways work groups get from Tempe over the next couple of weeks will probably tell the tale of what we can expect out of this deal. If they don't even want to talk to us, then that means we are not a factor in the merger as far as Doug is concerened.

Look at it this way..Tempe wont even bring east and west into pay parity and that was just 100 million according to Doug. AA+AWA+US all at Delta + 3% ? I don't see that as being one of Dougs goals in this deal. More likely is that he will do everything to keep us where we are so we can help fund the Delta +3 for the AA boys so Tempe braintrust and shareholders can rake in millions.

Hope I am wrong about the above, but past practice from Tempe does not really inspire confidence. In a way this is starting to look like a big version of Republic airlines, 4 different distinct airlines running under the "Republic Holdings" banner. (Republic, Midwest,Frontier, Chitaquea or however that thing is spelled! ) The pilots officially have one seniority list,(Not sure about the frontier boys) however there are lots of bidding restrictions between the branding in form of seat locks etc.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Some one will have another part of the country to hate.

 

[Move2CLT]

Some other possibles;

Doug honors the deal he cut with AA labor groups, but he has no intention of extending that to current airways.

Doug runs it as 3 airlines and uses us east and us west as feeders (express if you wish)

Doug says what he needs to say to get the deal done then oops, fuel prices went up or any of the other list of reasons we have seen for changing what they say they will do into what they do. Remember the furloughs of 2009. Told the guys they would not be furloughed if fuel prices went down in company wide distributed letter. Well fuel prices went way down yet the folks still got furloughed.

Personal views on USAPA that we see on this this board good or bad you all have to ask yourself this.....If Doug had even the slightest intention of offering Delta +3 to his current airline AFA, IAM, USAPA etc would have at least been in the loop somewhere along the way. I think the reason none of the current airways employee groups have even been sent a text on the subject(that we know of, though there is the mystery USAPA elect officers trip to PHX) is very telling of how this thing is going to go in tempe's grand plan. I don't think the current work groups concern him much simply because we are not included in anything he has been working out with APA.

What communication the USAirways work groups get from Tempe over the next couple of weeks will probably tell the tale of what we can expect out of this deal. If they don't even want to talk to us, then that means we are not a factor in the merger as far as Doug is concerened.

Look at it this way..Tempe wont even bring east and west into pay parity and that was just 100 million according to Doug. AA+AWA+US all at Delta + 3% ? I don't see that as being one of Dougs goals in this deal. More likely is that he will do everything to keep us where we are so we can help fund the Delta +3 for the AA boys so Tempe braintrust and shareholders can rake in millions.

Hope I am wrong about the above, but past practice from Tempe does not really inspire confidence. In a way this is starting to look like a big version of Republic airlines, 4 different distinct airlines running under the "Republic Holdings" banner. (Republic, Midwest,Frontier, Chitaquea or however that thing is spelled! ) The pilots officially have one seniority list,(Not sure about the frontier boys) however there are lots of bidding restrictions between the branding in form of seat locks etc.

Cleary alienated ISAPA with his rash and childish behavior. Of course Doug is going to exclude USAPA. They're irrelevant anyway.

And it was agreed that pay parity would be part of the deal.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not worried about it.

 

[700UW]

CLT is US' most profitable hub, its not going anywhere.

 

[UPNAWAY]

No CLT is mostly safe, just Caribbean, Brazil and maybe some Atlantic flying will move to MIA.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Cleary alienated ISAPA with his rash and childish behavior. Of course Doug is going to exclude USAPA. They're irrelevant anyway.

And it was agreed that pay parity would be part of the deal.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not worried about it.

Then I pose this question to you. If Doug agreed to pay AA pilots delta +3% as we are hearing before any type of integration has occured. And that any joint contract must be ratified to take effect. Why on earth would the 10000 or so AA pilots ever vote to ratify anything that included the US east or west group in thier list? They already have the best pay that Doug is going to offer, so all they would be doing is voting to put people above them on their list. With the press release that the APA put out and the one Doug put out It does not appear either east or west is part of that. Doug knows that he can negotiate in good faith from that point on and be pretty much guaranteed that he will never have to deal with a ratified T/A.

I would love to see the agreement that he signed with AA unions. If it is in effect a contract that takes effect on day one of the integration, he has just created the above scenario.

 

[luvthe9]

CLT is US' most profitable hub, its not going anywhere.

No that is PHL CLT is 2nd.

 

[700UW]

No CLT is mostly safe, just Caribbean, Brazil and maybe some Atlantic flying will move to MIA.

They wont fly passengers south to connect them to fly north.

CLT's Europe flights are successful.

 

[700UW]

No that is PHL CLT is 2nd.

Nope, its DCA then CLT, so we were both wrong.

In an interview on Wednesday, US Airways President Scott Kirby listed, in order, the four most profitable major airline operations in the U.S. in terms of profit margin. They are Newark, Washington Reagan National, Houston, and Charlotte. Two are East Coast airports dominated by US Airways, while two are United (UAL) hubs. Kirby emphasized that US Airways could only estimate profit margins at other carrier's hubs, and said margins at US Airways hubs in Philadelphia and Phoenix are "in the middle of the pack."

Read more: http://www.minyanville.com/sectors/transportation/articles/thestreet-Delta-DAL-AMR-United-Airlines/3/23/2012/id/40062#ixzz1sdaoFJRJ

 

[Move2CLT]

Then I pose this question to you. If Doug agreed to pay AA pilots delta +3% as we are hearing before any type of integration has occured. And that any joint contract must be ratified to take effect. Why on earth would the 10000 or so AA pilots ever vote to ratify anything that included the US east or west group in thier list? They already have the best pay that Doug is going to offer, so all they would be doing is voting to put people above them on their list. With the press release that the APA put out and the one Doug put out It does not appear either east or west is part of that. Doug knows that he can negotiate in good faith from that point on and be pretty much guaranteed that he will never have to deal with a ratified T/A.

I would love to see the agreement that he signed with AA unions. If it is in effect a contract that takes effect on day one of the integration, he has just created the above scenario.

Because if they don't vote this in they can have their contracts abrogated and live off those term sheets.

They either take the deal or enjoy an. LOA93 lifestyle.

Every AA buddy I've spoken to says this is done. 7 year equipment fence, money, and retirement vs. 1113

No brainer.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Because if they don't vote this in they can have their contracts abrogated and live off those term sheets.

They either take the deal or enjoy an. LOA93 lifestyle.

Every AA buddy I've spoken to says this is done. 7 year equipment fence, money, and retirement vs. 1113

No brainer.

Interesting, 7 year fence. Agreed to by whom? Does not matter how irrelevant you think USAPA is they ARE mine and your union in this merger. Doug telling APA 7 year fences really means nothing. What he can do is agree to pay APA whatever he wants. Fences etc fall into the union side of things. So once Doug pays them Delta+3 why ratify anything else?

Now if you have seen IN WRITING from the company in a legally binding document that says the Delta +3% is only good upon joint US/AWA/AA contract then thats a different story. I suspect knowing Tempe's love to squeeze a dollar that it does not. All he needs is APA to be on board to get the merger done, he does not need east or west for that.

Have you seen such a document?

i suspect we will end up seeing a 3 pilot group airline for a good many years if this comes about. Doug has lots of practice running a 2 group one already.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

• PHX will become a focus city like DCA, eventually corp & all back offices gone. They may keep Rez.

• Pit is done for, they could keep Base MX but I doubt it.

• Welcome back Sabre

• American Airlines will be the name going forward

• US Airways livery colors with American and the eagle.

• CLT will loose most int'l flights to MIA

• Empower MX gets a bigger roll, is Sceptre gone?

• For most employees this will be a good thing

• For US Airways share holders this will be easy money in the short haul

And last but not least I hope they offer a very good buyout and we can once and for all get ride of the malcontents!

For the colors, I prefer the AA one to the silly swoosh! (Now, if they had kept the blue top, that would something else). Maybe it would cool to have the name be American Airways, just as AA was called originally. Good riddance to QIK/SHARES and Sceptre!!!

If done right, the combined airline would a tremendous powerhouse.


I can remember, many years ago, (early 80s?) some bigwig analyst saying that it would wind up being AA, DL, and UA. Okay, so he missed predicting WN and B6, but otherwise -- spot on.

 

[Move2CLT]

If done right, the combined airline would a tremendous powerhouse.

With USAPA essentially sidelined, I agree with your statement.

 

[Phoenix]

For the colors, I prefer the AA one to the silly swoosh! (Now, if they had kept the blue top, that would something else). Maybe it would cool to have the name be American Airways, just as AA was called originally. Good riddance to QIK/SHARES and Sceptre!!!

If done right, the combined airline would a tremendous powerhouse.


I can remember, many years ago, (early 80s?) some bigwig analyst saying that it would wind up being AA, DL, and UA. Okay, so he missed predicting WN and B6, but otherwise -- spot on.

Last trip we had two different controllers call us American (one near PIT no less). Can we just stop using Catcus now (even if this never goes through?)