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Dell and all of his "cornies" pay is tied directly to the AVERAGE pay of ALL the members. If a group takes a pay cut or say a commuter airlines goes AMFA there pay changes accordingly.

Can you say the same for the TWU?

The AMFA is far from perfect but is head and shoulders above the TWU and IAM in terms of pay for officers and accountability.

It is a good union policy that officers shouldn't earn so much that they drift away from the members.—Harry Bridges

Actually Bobby Gless and Gary Yingst claimed that they took pay cuts. However the LM-2s do not reflect any such cuts.

I recieved an E-mail from a worker in Tulsa who claimed that Yingst claimed that his cut was only around 7%. Bobby Gless made a similar claim to a worker from JFK.The LM-2s did not reflect any paycuts for either of these union officials. In fact from 2003 to 2004 Gless recieved a 100% increase from the TWU. Perhaps it was a bonus for his work in getting the concessions put in place at AA. "Good job Bobby at screwing your former coworkers, heres your bonus!"

So what apparently happened was that Gless and Yingst may have been telling the truth, but in order for that to be so they must have been collecting a paycheck from the company, Check-off statements from American Airlines prove that Gless was still collecting a check from AA during his first year and a half as an International rep, as does sworn testimony from Gless himself, which is illegal. You see if only the AA portion of Gary's paycheck was cut, and not his International check, the total loss of income would have been only around 7%. So their statements indicate that they were accepting illegal kickbacks from the company, no doubt for their support in getting the concessions put in place.

I checked with the DOL however and no one in the TWU reported that they recieved any income from the American Airlines, after all such payments are illegal. I also checked with the DOL to see if AA had reporeted these payments, since according to the LMRDA ANY payments made to union officials should be reported to the DOL. In fact the company claimed during the 2003 Concessions fiasco that they paid the TWU $3.1 million a year! None of it reported to the DOL as has been the law since 1959.

After I made a fuss about these payments and the lack of reporting by both the company and the TWU in several letters to the DOL the DOL put out a notice that unions had to start reporting their payments from the company, they pretty much admitted that they had not been enforcing the laws they were supposed to, laws that were put in place specifically to protect union workers from union corruption, and they granted union officials a grace period in which to file, however they did not act upon forcing the company to report their payments to unions as required by the LMRDA.To date, as far as I know American Airlines still does not report what they pay to the TWU, for union business, to the DOL.

After the DOL put out the notice I checked to see what officials of the TWU reported. The only thing they reported was A-10 travel passes, they did not report any of the income they must have recieved to make their claims that they also took paycuts true. In fact nowhere in any of the reports filed with the DOL could any one find any of the $3.1 million that the company admitted, or claimed, that they paid to the TWU. It could not be the A passes because the union officials claimed these passes are the same as they would be entitled to as emplotyees, therefore they had no identifiable value. So where is the $3.1 million?????

When I filed the complaint with the DOL all I expected was an answer. They told me that I would get one, but I havent and its been three years. A coworker went to his local Congressman Peter King and asked for assistance. We even went to Washington DC with the documentation. We were told that we would recieve an answer, we didnt. I also went to my Local Congressman, Tim Bishop, again with the documentation, again told I would recieve an answer, I didnt. When I went to Opensecrets.org I found that both Peter King and Tim Bishop had recieved thousands of dollars from the TWU!!!

So here I am, I have met with Congressmen, had DOL officials in my home where instead of getting me an answer they apparently investigated me(they requested my Social Security number), written scores of letters and made my acusations public yet still I have recieved no explanation as to the fact that American Airlines is illegally paying TWU officials millions of dollars a year and why the government does not enforce the laws that have been put in place to protect us.

If these accustions were false, that American Airlines is making illegal payments, in other words bribes to TWU officials, then why hasnt the company or the TWU confronted me? I know that they monitor what I write because I was forwarded a file they had that was given to a litigant several years ago and the union removed me from office solely based on things they pulled off the internet. Surely if I was lying then the company or the union would have come after me, but then I would without hesitation sue and then a little thing called disclosure comes into effect.

One thing that has happened since I started trying to expose all of this is that several of the key players have left. Sue Oliver, head of AA HR left the company. HR would have been aware of any payment scheme between the company and the TWU. Greg Hall, head of line maintenance left-he too would have been aware of the payment scheme. Anne McNamarra, head of AAs legal department left, she would have been the one to inform everyone everyone else of the illegaility of these payments and managements duty to comply with the LMRDA. Art Luby-legal counsel to the TWU left, he would have been the one to inform union officials about complying with the LMRDA.

The fact is that because we have the TWU and American Airlines, two powerful organizations with a lot of money to throw around involved in this apparent criminal activity, a regular working person does not have much of a chance in getting answers or justice, certainly not swiftly.

Here are some of the facts.

American Airlines claimed that they paid out $3.1 million a year for "company paid" union business however they failed to report these payments as per the LMRDA.

American Airlines paid the salaries of Local Presidents without reimbursement. This is illegal, it violates both the RLA and the LMRDA.

American Airlines continues to make these payments and they continue to conceal them.

The TWU accepted and continues to accept these payments and gave American Airlines the largest concessionary package outside of BK in history.

The company threatened to terminate these payments if the TWU did not meet the concessions target. In this case Union officials like Gless, Yinsgst and others would no longer have recieved any pay from the company for doing union business. So these officials were faced with either seeing their AA paycheck cut by 17% or by 100%. In other words they would see their AA paycheck go from $75k to $60k by getting the company all the concessions they wanted or see it go to $0 if they didnt.

After reporting these payments to the DOL and repeated queries as to why there were no Lm-10 or LM-30s on file from either AA or the TWU the DOL issues a letter informing unions that they must file their reports, however the letter openly states that they are not enforcing the companys requirement to file, but may do so in the future.

The government has chosen not to enforce the LMRDA. They openly admitted to not enforcing union reporting requirements in the past and indicated that they may or may not enforce company reporting requirements in the future.

We have a pro-business administration in power.

The LMRDA has been the law of the land for nearly 50 years.

It was put in place to protect union members from corrupt unions.





Several years ago when I filed with the NY office nothing happened. When I contacted the Washington DC office they said that no claims were filed, NY had apparently "misplaced" the documents I gave them. (Rumor has it that the head of the NY DOL office was friends with Sonny Hall.)


I have no doubt that the Bush administration is willing to turn a blind eye at a little company/union collaboration despite its illegality, (if only there was some way they could spin this towards fighting terrorism) if the result of that illegality is the weakening of the labor movement and the lowering of airline workers wages. The administration has made it clear that lowering our wages was part of their plan. This administration is no doubt very pleased with the performance of Jim Littles TWU where huge concessions are granted by labor without any loss to shareholders or disruption to consumers.

So under these conditions where unions are rolling over backwards for employers, falling over each other to give the most in concessions, pro-business interests, including those running the government, have no incentive to punish corrupt union officials who give companies everything they want while preventing disruptions caused by the workers who are getting screwed.

For these pro-business interests the actions of organizations like the TWU are a win win. In the present they divert huge sums of money, billions of dollars a year, away from the workers and towards owners, and all they have to do is turn a blind eye from a comparatively paltry $3.1 million lining the pockets of union officials. Then in a few years they can reveal these payments, claim what an outrage it is and announce that they are cracking down on union corruption. These announcements will further discredit the labor movement as a whole. Union drives will be thwarted as companies show their workers how corrupt unions are, how unionized workers in the airline industry faired worse than non-union workers and how union officials got rich selling out their own members.






1withintegrity I can understand your fustration but it is one that driven by ignorance. You fail to see that the attack upon AMFA was part of a much broader struggle.

Unless you understand what the broader objectives of the industry as a whole are you will fail to see what really happend to you.

NWA was willing to engage in an "at all costs" struggle with AMFA and they had support from every direction, government, capital and other organized labor.

AMFA was the only union that was not complying with the demands of the industry. That embarrased other unions, if AMFA succeeded it would have meant that those unions screwed their members. Those unions had to see AMFA fail, otherwise their own members would have revolted.


Capital and the government have a plan for this industry. Cheap transportation and big profits. We stand in the way of those objectives.

In the Spring of 2001 I attended an IRRA Conference in Washinton DC where the real theme was "The unrealistic expectations of airline workers". Speaker after speaker went on and on about how the industry needs to provide cheap transportation and profits for its owners and how workers wages were standing in the way of those objectives.

A few short months after the events of Sept 11 provided them the opportunity of a lifetime, and they didnt hesitate to capitalize on the tragedy.

Union after union simply rolled over, only one union said "NO". AMFA. Time will prove that AMFA was right. Just because they lost the battle at NWA it does not mean that they were wrong. AMFA had to be crushed because they were bucking a 20 year trend. For the last twenty years unions have been granting the airlines concession after concession. AMFA was causing problems for the other unions that were simply collecting dues and giving the companies everything they wanted. So, the combined interests of Capital, government and other unions all wanted to see AMFA fail at NWA. The failure of AMFA at NWA is the fault of all of us. You paid the dearest price but in reality we are all paying for it.

Resisting the erosion of our pay should be considered a Patriotic Act. The cheap transportation that our cheap wages enable doesnt just hurt us. It hurts all American workers. Its not so much the cheap seats that do the damage but its the stuff thats under seats in the cargo holds. By providing cheap transportation or products we are enabling rapid uncontroolled globalization and the export of yet more US jobs. If someone can get their product from China nearly as quickly, and cheaper, from China than from within the US then where do you think they are going to go?

The fact is there was a lot riding on the struggle between NWA and AMFA. Labor had to be dealt a decisive blow. Labor could have won if we had stood together, but our leaders chose to stand down, and they did so for the most vile reasons.Hopefully workers will one day hold them accountable for their treason.
 
When I filed the complaint with the DOL all I expected was an answer. They told me that I would get one, but I havent and its been three years. A coworker went to his local Congressman Peter King and asked for assistance. We even went to Washington DC with the documentation. We were told that we would recieve an answer, we didnt. I also went to my Local Congressman, Tim Bishop, again with the documentation, again told I would recieve an answer, I didnt. When I went to Opensecrets.org I found that both Peter King and Tim Bishop had recieved thousands of dollars from the TWU!!!

Please tell me that you were not suprised.
 
AMFA gave concessions at UAL, they caved there.
 
AMFA gave concessions at UAL, they caved there.
Ah yes, and your IAM accepted millions from USAIR to conduct the concessions drive there, did either of them file with the DOL? I couldnt find anything.

When and what did AMFA give in to at UAL?
 
I whole heartedly supported them at NWA when they won over the IAM, they talk a good talk, however actions speak much louder than words.
Yet you join US Aviation 2 weeks ago, where was the support and disagreements before. Let us recall that AMFA got rolling with NWA, and you were part of the crowd that elected the same people you now complain about. To me you sound like a scab who is now scared about the real mechanics are coming to take their job back from you.
 
AMFA gave concessions at UAL, they caved there.
Was that after the iam agreed to unlimited outsourcing and the closing of the maintenance bases? The iam let the company burn the contract book because they were on the way out.

Nothing but another iam revenege tactic that screwed the UAL mechanics. :down:
 
It will come to a point where the Union officials that represent us understand only one thing.

A bat to the head

Like in the old days
:blink:
 
Ah yes, and your IAM accepted millions from USAIR to conduct the concessions drive there, did either of them file with the DOL? I couldnt find anything.

When and what did AMFA give in to at UAL?
If you are going to post info, post the reality, not something you made up.

During bankruptcy #1 and #2 all unions on US Airways property: AFA, ALPA, CWA, IAM and TWU had reasonable expenses reiumbursed for the cost of negotiating the concessions.

The IAM Expenses were paid to the districts and bills and recipets with expense reports were submitted.

I do not know about you, but I dont want my dues money spent on negotiating concessions when we are not in Section 6 negotiations.

And AMFA was reiumbursed at UAL for their expenses also, just like the TWU at AA and APA and APFA.

Gee Bob, from page 24 of the UAL/AMFA Section 1113 C agreement:

Exhibit E
Fees and Expenses
1. United shall reimburse AMFA for the reasonable, actual fees and out-of-pocket expenses incurred by AMFA in connection with the review, design, negotiation, approval,
effective ratification, and execution of the Letter of Agreement (its “Expensesâ€￾) including:

a. reasonable base wages lost by United AMFA representatives in connection with meetings called for the purpose of negotiating, reviewing, approving or ratifying the agreed Term Sheet and this Letter of Agreement; and

b. the reasonable, actual fees and expenses of AMFA’s outside legal, pension, and other professional advisors (in each case based on normal hourly rates for actual time
expended)up to a maximum, aggregate total of $1 million. Of the total reimbursement for Expenses, $500,000 shall be paid on the Effective Date as defined in the agreed Letter of Agreement, and the remaining $500,000 will be paid on the Exit Date.

2. The Company shall seek judicial approval for its obligations under this Exhibit E at the same time that it seeks judicial approval of the agreed Letter of Agreement.

3. The parties acknowledge and agree that the Company’s
agreement to reimburse AMFA for fees and expenses under this Letter of Agreement is a result of the special collective bargaining circumstances created by the parties’ desire to negotiate modifications to the
Mechanics’ Agreement as part of the Company’s bankruptcy reorganization.

AMFA/UAL Section 1113 C

Don't let the facts get in your way.
 
If you are going to post info, post the reality, not something you made up.

What was made up? I said:"Ah yes, and your IAM accepted millions from USAIR to conduct the concessions drive there, did either of them file with the DOL? I couldnt find anything.". Your statement agrees with that.

During bankruptcy #1 and #2 all unions on US Airways property: AFA, ALPA, CWA, IAM and TWU had reasonable expenses reiumbursed for the cost of negotiating the concessions.


The IAM Expenses were paid to the districts and bills and recipets with expense reports were submitted.

No matter how you say it its still company paid union business.

I do not know about you, but I dont want my dues money spent on negotiating concessions when we are not in Section 6 negotiations.

So what are you saying? Are you saying its OK for your union to accept money from the company to open the contract early and push concessions? My position remains as its been from the beginning, the union should tell the company the same thing the company tells the workers, "we have a contract, come see us on the dates that the contract stipulates." The fact is you guys got suckered, they are rich now because you agreed to become poor.




Don't let the facts get in your way.

Thats right, and the fact is that you guys at USAIR started the whole thing by opening up your contracts prior to BK and giving away everything that generations of airline workers fought for. USAIR now brags that labor costs have gone from 40% (which is reasonable for a service company) down to 17% of total costs. In fact USAIR now has so much money, thanks to you guys giving away the store that they are looking to buy another airline. Congratulations for ruining the lvelyhoods of thousands of workers and making the airline owners wealthier.
 
No matter how you say it its still company paid union business.
So what are you saying? Are you saying its OK for your union to accept money from the company to open the contract early and push concessions?
Thats right, and the fact is that you guys at USAIR started the whole thing by opening up your contracts prior to BK and giving away everything that generations of airline workers fought for. USAIR now brags that labor costs have gone from 40% (which is reasonable for a service company) down to 17% of total costs. In fact USAIR now has so much money, thanks to you guys giving away the store that they are looking to buy another airline. Congratulations for ruining the lvelyhoods of thousands of workers and making the airline owners wealthier.

Amen brother. If and that is a big IF USAir had the same courage shown by the folks at EAL and the AMT's at NWA the wholesale destruction of our profession would have stopped then and there.

And before you start with the “why should they have done that so you didn’t have to take cutsâ€￾ mantra think about this. What if labor had decided that it was just easier to keep working SAT and SUN. What about the 40 hour work week. What about paid sick time, oh sorry. That was given up. What about a retirement for 30 plus years of your life, oh sorry, that was given up.

Our profession has been set back 20 plus years and the AMFA sure as hell did not lead the AMT’s done that path.

Again I say that the AMFA is far from perfect. But, given the choice between them and the IAM, well, there is none.
 
Yep US Airways started thanks to the pilots, but hey I voted no and the IAM did not reach a concessionary contract in the first bankrupcty, the day the company filed they threw an offer to the IAM just like the second one.

And the CBA was abrogated in the second bankruptcy and you see how well NWA did and judges ruling against the unions to strike, so what was accomplished at NWA except AMFA now representing scabs who replaced their striking members who cannot bump and get thier jobs back, since the strike is now over, yep they did a real bang up job at NWA, funny how you did not post that fact.

And the IAM was not paid millions.

And go back in time, it was started way before US Airways.

TWA, PAN AM, UAL ESOP, AA's B-scale and NWA Concessions were way before US filed Chapter 11.

And I find it funny how you totally skipped the part about AMFA taking money from UAL when I proved to they did.

Why did you skip that part?
 
Yep US Airways started thanks to the pilots, but hey I voted no and the IAM did not reach a concessionary contract in the first bankrupcty, the day the company filed they threw an offer to the IAM just like the second one.


And your IAM made you vote again till you got it right.

And the CBA was abrogated in the second bankruptcy and you see how well NWA did and judges ruling against the unions to strike, so what was accomplished at NWA except AMFA now representing scabs who replaced their striking members who cannot bump and get thier jobs back, since the strike is now over, yep they did a real bang up job at NWA, funny how you did not post that fact.

Come on now 700UW, you claim to be a unionist so you should be well aware of the history between the courts and unions. Remember Mike Quills response to the Judge who ordered the TWU(whe it was run by unionists) to work without a contract? Drop dead, you can put us in jail but that wont make your trains run".


And the IAM was not paid millions

The media reported millions, if the IAMand USAIR had filed with the DOL then we could look it up ourselves, why did you skip that part?



And go back in time, it was started way before US Airways.

TWA, PAN AM, UAL ESOP, AA's B-scale and NWA Concessions were way before US filed Chapter 11.

TWA-IAM
PAN Am -TWU
UAL ESOP-IAM
AA B Scale-TWU
NWA Concessions-IAM
And was AMFA involved in any of those fiascos? By the way those were tame compared to what you guys initiated but like I said AMFA was the only union that said NO.



And I find it funny how you totally skipped the part about AMFA taking money from UAL when I proved to they did.

Why did you skip that part?

I didnt see a need to respond.

As distasteful as I find it the fact is that you set the precident two years prior. AMFA had it written into the agreement, which is accessable to all, so all the members could see it,even nonmembers such as yourself, they didnt have to wait for it to come out in the newspapers.

Why did you skip the part where I asked you what AMFA gave up and if the IAMs payments from the company were filed with the DOL?
 
Because I did not look at any of the LM-2s.

And I see how you did not reply to AMFA agreeing to represent scabs, let scabs be employed and the former striking NWA AMFA AMTs are on the streets.

And funny how you skip all the unions at UAL, NWA, Pan Am and TWA that took concessions.

The expenses paid were capped at $1,000,000 per both district 141M which later merged into 142 and district 141 and it was written into the final offers both times.
 
Because I did not look at any of the LM-2s.

It would be on an LM-10 or LM-30.

And I see how you did not reply to AMFA agreeing to represent scabs, let scabs be employed and the former striking NWA AMFA AMTs are on the streets.

Are you claiming that the IAM would refuse to represent scabs? The fact is that the guys at NWA voted in favor of this agreement,and they only voted once, I didnt agree with it but apparently a lot of the guys wanted to take their money and move on, can you blame them after the fact that unions like the IAM did everything they could to help the company? They fought, they were the only ones who did. The IAM represented members didnt win, the TWU represented members didnt win, ALPA, AFA and the IBT members all lost too, but AMFA was the only one who fought back.If you cant give them credit for that you are not a union man but rather a company stooge.

And funny how you skip all the unions at UAL, NWA, Pan Am and TWA that took concessions.

Obviously you are not very observant.
TWA-IAM
PAN Am -TWU
UAL ESOP-IAM
AA B Scale-TWU
NWA Concessions-IAM
And was AMFA involved in any of those fiascos? By the way those were tame compared to what you guys initiated but like I said AMFA was the only union that said NO.



The expenses paid were capped at $1,000,000 per both district 141M which later merged into 142 and district 141 and it was written into the final offers both times.

And you guys were the first to buy it. Look I've admitted all along that the TWU sucks, and that companred to the TWU the IAM is an improvement, but they still suck and if you havent realized that yet then you are beyond all hope.
 

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