Top Ten Reasons to Vote NO

[Frank Szabo]

The term sheets proposed the following savings from each work group:

APA: $370 million
APFA: $230 million
TWU: $159 million (fleet, dispatch, instructors, sim techs)
TWU: $235 million (M&R, stock clerks, MCTs)

AA says that the above numbers represent 20% of the total labor cost of each workgroup and the numbers total $994 million. The other $256 million of the $1.25 billion will come from management, support staff and agents.

AA's mechanics may be paid the lowest hourly wage of any airline, but AA's maintenance costs are the highest, according to DOT numbers, because of the low level of outsourcing. For example, WN has 700 planes and just 3,500 maintenance personnel on the payroll. I don't know what Aeroman in El Salvador charges WN for a heavy C check on their 737s, but with the mechanics making a reported $5/hr and the helpers making a reported $2/hr, it's obvious that it's cheaper. Significantly cheaper.

It's fairly evident the company is doing quite well as evidenced by their unrestricted cash growing rapidly - even though it has thousands of VERY pissed-off employees dragging down the results.

Imagine how much better a position the company could be in if its employees weren't looked upon (and treated) as bricks in a backpack, per Jeff Brundage.

 

[Buck]

FWAAA: given that M&R wages are the lowest and the rest of the TWU wages are at or near the top, why does the company continually need to attack the mechanics?

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

We will be at the bottom of the industry in pay and benefits... VOTE NO
The twu is pushing another concessionery agreement... VOTE NO
Management Ream going public trying to sell this POS... VOTE NO
The Pilots are against the company and their constant need for concessions... VOTE NO
The Flight Attendants are against the company and more concessions... VOTE NO
It will be 15 years under concessionary terms since 2003 enough is enough ... VOTE NO
Concessions for jobs never works it only makes us work more for less... VOTE NO
The international will not be part of the concessions and will still be making three times what you make ... VOTE NO
Overspeed and his rhetoric is enough to just VOTE NO ! ! ! ! !

 

[Bob Owens]

AA's mechanics may be paid the lowest hourly wage of any airline, but AA's maintenance costs are the highest, according to DOT numbers, because of the low level of outsourcing. For example, WN has 700 planes and just 3,500 maintenance personnel on the payroll. I don't know what Aeroman in El Salvador charges WN for a heavy C check on their 737s, but with the mechanics making a reported $5/hr and the helpers making a reported $2/hr, it's obvious that it's cheaper. Significantly cheaper.

M&R was $210 million.

How much does Aeroman do for Southwest?


Maintenence costs wer the highest because of an old fleet, interior mods, wingletts and all sorts of other discretionary expendistures, even landscaping for the hangars, new appliances tables desks chairs, 40" flat screen TVs etc etc. Sure the pay a guy in el salvador $5/hr but they have to fly it there and they pay some of our guys as little as $10/hr.. Just because Aeroman pays their guys less that doesnt mean that AA would get it for less.

 

[amtide]

The term sheets proposed the following savings from each work group:

APA: $370 million
APFA: $230 million
TWU: $159 million (fleet, dispatch, instructors, sim techs)
TWU: $235 million (M&R, stock clerks, MCTs)

AA says that the above numbers represent 20% of the total labor cost of each workgroup and the numbers total $994 million. The other $256 million of the $1.25 billion will come from management, support staff and agents.

AA's mechanics may be paid the lowest hourly wage of any airline, but AA's maintenance costs are the highest, according to DOT numbers, because of the low level of outsourcing. For example, WN has 700 planes and just 3,500 maintenance personnel on the payroll. I don't know what Aeroman in El Salvador charges WN for a heavy C check on their 737s, but with the mechanics making a reported $5/hr and the helpers making a reported $2/hr, it's obvious that it's cheaper. Significantly cheaper.

TWU is a FSC union for FSC, we the AMT are just bargaining meat for them. We need another union that look for our interest.

 

[Frank Szabo]

TWU is a FSC union for FSC, we the AMT are just bargaining meat for them. We need another union that look for our interest.

Changing who we pay dues to will not fix the problem nor is the problem worth the effort to fix.

AA/AMR does not feel its employees have any value.

 

[comatose]

You are in BK remember? You aren't seeing that language for a long time.

So, you want me to vote on a LBO without final language?

So typical TWU!

Overspeed change your screen name to Overrated, Overdosed or Overyourhead.

 

[amtide]

Changing who we pay dues to will not fix the problem nor is the problem worth the effort to fix.

AA/AMR does not feel its employees have any value.

Sadly I have to agree with your statement.

 

[Buck]

It will be 15 years under concessionary terms since 2003 enough is enough ... VOTE NO

Yes, but the concessionary train goes back to at least 1983.

Not attempting change because because of whatever reason is exactly what the TWU is hoping you do. Why shouldn't they, it has work in the pass.

 

[Buster CRC]

Most folks I've talked to that are voting yes havent read the full text that we have been given. They have only read the compare sheets. How can you vote and not read the full text?

 

[Buck]

Most folks I've talked to that are voting yes havent read the full text that we have been given. They have only read the compare sheets. How can you vote and not read the full text?

FEAR.

 

[TWU informer]

So, you want me to vote on a LBO without final language?

So typical TWU!

Overspeed change your screen name to Overrated, Overdosed or Overyourhead.

Or better yet, change it to "ATD Appointees Defending Concessions"

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

So, you want me to vote on a LBO without final language?

So typical TWU!

Overspeed change your screen name to Overrated, Overdosed or Overyourhead.

LOL

 

[rifbound]

for those of you that haven't seen the tulsa "scare you into a yes vote" video here it is. (14 min long). total bs video! another attemp to get that last minute yes vote. that guy should be ashamed of himself for doing this. they all should! what a joke!

i hope that people understand that what he says about the part of us working on the gen aircraft is only a conformation. NOTHING in writing. unless it's in writing is not true and they don't have to own up to it. also the part on the rif about you "virtually" bumping through a station you never set foot in is a violation of the people at that stations senortiy right. Plus they aren't following the propper rif procedure set for by ruling (and aa agreeing to it) from the bs rif that went down in 03. if you take a downgrade to osm, you would have to be recalled to a mechanic postion. just as in 03. there was never the optin to downgrade, get riffed again and be able to bump the system after that. why would they let you, have to pay you more, and all the money they would have to spend on badges and background checks that would cost them more money in the end when they already are paying you less money. do you really think that will happen? something to keep in mind as you VOTE NO! just another scare tactic to get more yes votes by the international. remeber that they don't care about you, they only care about the dues coming in. if the contracts are thrown out we don't have to pay dues and we will have a chance to get rid of the twu for screwing us all these years. by bring us this f**king bs contract the twu should be gone just for that reason alone. in no way did little "fight like hell" for us at all. he's only helping himself and his $200k plus salary. don't be fooled.

don't vote yes and bind over and take it in the a$$ to throw YEARS of work rules and agreements away. don't vote yes to desecrate our profession here at american and set a precedence for future contracts. if the judge throws the contracts out, remember we still have to negotiate for another contract. we have a chance to fight even more and maybe get something better. the future of the amt profession here at american is at stake. fight for it, fight for those that will be on the street, for your future retirement, for those that have a chance to be recalled to come back to something better, and fight for your career. never give in/up and just settle for something cause you're scared of what might happen.

i'm proud to say that i voted NO. i'm probably gone anyway and i'm still not willing to settle for some bs contract. i'm praying for those of us that are going to be affected and our familys that have to endure this as well. it will be hard but you will survive this.

don't give in, don't give up, and fight for what you belive is and fair. don't be scared, vote NO.

 

[olderguyAMT]

Buck, that's right.
It's fear, turmoil, and apathy. and just not wanting to take the time.
they are in denial and have BK shock snydrome.
Like being helplessly caught up in a whirlpool. and before the appointment date of the intervention therapy, their Yes vote will have been recorded. They don't know what else to do, can't see the forrest because of the damn trees.
Blindly following Fearless Leader, Jim Little-Beam.

But, there is a simple solution. Take some time to think about it logically, using the ideas presented on this board. Then vote NO.