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Top Ten Reasons to Vote NO



for those of you that haven't seen the tulsa "scare you into a yes vote" video here it is. (14 min long). total bs video! another attemp to get that last minute yes vote. that guy should be ashamed of himself for doing this. they all should! what a joke!

i hope that people understand that what he says about the part of us working on the gen aircraft is only a conformation. NOTHING in writing. unless it's in writing is not true and they don't have to own up to it. also the part on the rif about you "virtually" bumping through a station you never set foot in is a violation of the people at that stations senortiy right. Plus they aren't following the propper rif procedure set for by ruling (and aa agreeing to it) from the bs rif that went down in 03. if you take a downgrade to osm, you would have to be recalled to a mechanic postion. just as in 03. there was never the optin to downgrade, get riffed again and be able to bump the system after that. why would they let you, have to pay you more, and all the money they would have to spend on badges and background checks that would cost them more money in the end when they already are paying you less money. do you really think that will happen? something to keep in mind as you VOTE NO! just another scare tactic to get more yes votes by the international. remeber that they don't care about you, they only care about the dues coming in. if the contracts are thrown out we don't have to pay dues and we will have a chance to get rid of the twu for screwing us all these years. by bring us this f**king bs contract the twu should be gone just for that reason alone. in no way did little "fight like hell" for us at all. he's only helping himself and his $200k plus salary. don't be fooled.

don't vote yes and bind over and take it in the a$$ to throw YEARS of work rules and agreements away. don't vote yes to desecrate our profession here at american and set a precedence for future contracts. if the judge throws the contracts out, remember we still have to negotiate for another contract. we have a chance to fight even more and maybe get something better. the future of the amt profession here at american is at stake. fight for it, fight for those that will be on the street, for your future retirement, for those that have a chance to be recalled to come back to something better, and fight for your career. never give in/up and just settle for something cause you're scared of what might happen.

i'm proud to say that i voted NO. i'm probably gone anyway and i'm still not willing to settle for some bs contract. i'm praying for those of us that are going to be affected and our familys that have to endure this as well. it will be hard but you will survive this.

don't give in, don't give up, and fight for what you belive is and fair. don't be scared, vote NO.



Very well said, and thank you for posting that video.
One thing caught my attention right away, about the LBO early out incentive. Mr. John H says that M&E has agreed to give the money to all who apply. Show me in writing, John, and I will believe it. That Matag is on a spin cycle. Many will not read the LBO language, and are vulnerable to spin.
Don't get caught in a spin cycle.... vote NO.
 
Very well said, and thank you for posting that video.
One thing caught my attention right away, about the LBO early out incentive. Mr. John H says that M&E has agreed to give the money to all who apply. Show me in writing, John, and I will believe it. That Matag is on a spin cycle. Many will not read the LBO language, and are vulnerable to spin.
Don't get caught in a spin cycle.... vote NO.
But remember System Protection $12500 is a component not afforded all those who would accept that release.
 
All 10 reasons are in this video, please watch before you vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWlCISsonKE&feature=youtu.be
 
I certainly wouldn't call this guy mr. anything. He looks like a zombie who od'd on kool-aid
BTW, according to the lbo the early out only applies to 1500 people in all title groups (that would be all seven).
 
BTW, according to the lbo the early out only applies to 1500 people in all title groups (that would be all seven).

Did you read that specific letter about the early out incentive? There is no specific number mentioned in writing. Where did you get that info. about 1500?
So you may want to go read the LBO. When you copy and paste it here, I will believe you.

just another reason to Vote NO.
 
Watch the TWU Local 514 video, Mr. Hewitt says that if you want to you can.
 
Watch the TWU Local 514 video, Mr. Hewitt says that if you want to you can.

Hewitt also says this in the video.

“You have to think about it ever since every one of has worked here, we’ve always negotiated to improve the contract that’s in place”

John must have forgotten about 1995 and 2003
 
Had a discussion yesterday with an openly YES voter. I listened to his rationale. I heard him and respected his opinion. I asked if he read the entire full text, he said NO, he didn't need to because it didn't matter....I mentioned that even with his low seniority, he would be laid off ANYWAY. He said that was why he was voting YES....To try and save his job.
I explained he was gone ANYWAY, would have to look for employment ANYWAY, would have to start over ANYWAY at a low entry level wage ANYWAY...
Again, he said he didn't care.....he probably wouldn't be recalled anyway.
Still a YES vote...
I said good luck and walked away.

I cannot help but wonder how many like him are out there and not just in TUL.....
 
Its too bad that our guys didnt get two weeks to read this instead of two weeks to read the company arguement before voting.
 
Had a discussion yesterday with an openly YES voter. I listened to his rationale. I heard him and respected his opinion. I asked if he read the entire full text, he said NO, he didn't need to because it didn't matter....I mentioned that even with his low seniority, he would be laid off ANYWAY. He said that was why he was voting YES....To try and save his job.
I explained he was gone ANYWAY, would have to look for employment ANYWAY, would have to start over ANYWAY at a low entry level wage ANYWAY...
Again, he said he didn't care.....he probably wouldn't be recalled anyway.
Still a YES vote...
I said good luck and walked away.

I cannot help but wonder how many like him are out there and not just in TUL.....

Perhaps if the point was made that by lowering the wage here it will put downward pressure on wages across the industry he may have reconsidered.
 
Perhaps if the point was made that by lowering the wage here it will put downward pressure on wages across the industry he may have reconsidered.

Possibly. But when you can't convince someone who is certainly affected to change his mind, you know he is not alone.
Like Frank Szabo said...single issue voter....., Single issue voters are the least informed and least concerned.
 
The following are from the document above posted by Informer.

The Debtors’ expert conveniently ignores the fact that pay rates of the largest TWU-represented workgroup (consisting of approximately 11,500 mechanics and related employees) are the lowest among American’s competitors. Since pay rates drive 75% of total compensation, this is a serious omission. Moreover, the Debtors failed to present any evidence that the proposed modifications leave those TWU workers who remain employed with industry competitive wages, benefits and work rules when viewed in their entirety. To the contrary, the proposed changes would leave TWU-represented workers at American, not with competitive contracts, but with contracts at the lowest end among its peers. Therefore, the proposed modifications are not necessary, as suggested by the Debtors, to achieve a competitive cost structure

In addition, (i) the TWU has good cause to reject American’s proposals and (ii) the
balance of the equities clearly does not favor rejection of the TWU CBAs.

Pg 18 In particular, to arrive at the aggregate target cost savings number for labor, the Debtors’ management first identified anticipated revenue improvements and non-labor cost savings and then targeted a projected level of profitability and a projected EBITDAR margin of 17%.

So in other words they want us to agree to these ridiculous proposals so they can earn more profits than any other carrier has ever earned.
 
In the Hewitt video, he says that its absolutely criminal to have an opinion opposite of his, while he acts as a huge matag spin machine for the company's agenda.

Now is it absolutely criminal for any union officer to be on the same page as senior vice president Ream on this issue?

The company has spared no expense in the prep of this LBO, and has hired the best lawyers to work on the union busting document.

No wonder the co. BK expenses are aproaching 60 million dollars and growing.

Don't get caught in a spin cycle, vote NO.
 

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