Transatlantic Schedule 2010

[Dont call me Shirley]

I think PHL-CPH would be great route on a 757E. We already have ARN and OSL. CPH would be a great addition. Daily I see bags going to CPH with double connections.

CPH was rumored last year as seasonal '09 market. Sadly, it didn't happen, but OSL did.
Supposedly *A partner, SK is not happy with US's forays into their turf and that is why there is no codeshare with them. Too bad, because it would probably benefit both.

On the subject on seasonal markets: Many find it disappointing that so many of US's Euro markets are only flown a few months a year. Other US carriers that serve secondary markets (such as CO to Bristol) manage to do it year round, albeit with reduced frequency. According to the last "About US", ATH will not be made year round, even with Olympic dropping its flight to JFK.

 

[PHLfa88]

how bout putting one on clt-lim and one on clt-dub =) ha

Look for CLT-DUB next season!

 

[snnus]

Look for CLT-DUB next season!

Ya never know! DL used to do ATL-SNN on 757 so its possible

 

[FWAAA]

If I'm not mistaken, no airline has announced new transatlantic service yet for 2010. I guess it's particularly difficult to predict the revenue potential these days. The next slot conference is still two months away, but I wouldn't hold my breath as far as new European destinations are concerned.
AA is also converting 18 B757s; so far, the ones that have been completed are all being used to downsize existing B767 routes.

Well, a day later and AA has announced new transatlantic service JFK-MAD and JFK-MAN for next year:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMR-Corporat...ml?x=0&.v=1

The downsizing of many 763 routes is necessary with the 763s backfilling many of the AB6 routes; AA retired all 34 of its AB6s in the 12 months. That's more widebodies than the total US widebody fleet.

 

[FutureUScapt]

Look for CLT-DUB next season!

FCO and MAD are other destinations that are being looked at from CLT. In fact, US applied for slots last winter for CLT-FCO but received unfavorable times. I would look for CLT-FCO in Spring 2010. Also, with the soft economy, adding routes from CLT to current destinations may become more attractive relative to adding new destinations from PHL since there are the added costs of opening up a station. That said, I think we will see atleast one new 75E route from PHL next spring (CPH or DUS??)



FWIW, BHX, GLA, and SNN are all loaded in the system for next summer but it is just a preliminary schedule at this point and is likely subject to changes.

 

[cltflyer1]

how about both dub and fco next year from clt!

 

[smoot4208]

My guesses for next year are
PHL-Vienna
PHL-Copenhagen (757)
CLT-Rome

 

[JetguyCLT]

Word on the International Street in Charlotte is US is going to be doing CLT-FCO, CLT-DUB, CLT-EZE, anCLT-CUR. Also, CLT-GIG has been pushed back until 12/15/09.

 

[cynic]

Word on the International Street in Charlotte is... CLT-CUR...

That would most likely do better as a winter/spring route to start. It's already a bit late to announce a start for this winter/spring.

 

[Freighterguynow]

On the subject on seasonal markets: Many find it disappointing that so many of US's Euro markets are only flown a few months a year.

Exactly. Maybe we could serve Ireland starting in March and not wait till later?

http://www.st-patricks-day.com/

 

[AirbusA310]

PHL-DME
PHL-IST
PHL-VIE

My choices for next year

 

[FutureUScapt]

Exactly. Maybe we could serve Ireland starting in March and not wait till later?

http://www.st-patricks-day.com/

???

US flies to DUB year-round now. IIRC, its 4x wkly in deep winter.

Word on the International Street in Charlotte is US is going to be doing CLT-FCO, CLT-DUB, CLT-EZE, anCLT-CUR.

I've heard that CLT-CUR was a possibility, though as another poster said, you think it would've already been announced by now if they were going to fly it this winter. I suppose it could be announced shortly with a start up date sometime in Feb. Other destinations were being looked at in Mexico, but I assume that the H1N1 outbreak killed/delayed any of those plans.

CLT-EZE is probably another year away from being launched as well.

I was thinking BUD & PRG due to a fairly large number of people of Hungarian and Slovak descent in the greater PHL area (Actually PA in general).

But honestly now that I see your guesses I've kinda changed my mind. Anybody think PHL-HEL would work? Or Bucharest?

PB,

Here's my thoughts on it:

In addition to what you said, BUD and PRG are appealing to more and more American tourists as they are not as expensive as some of the more-developed tourist destinations in Europe. That said, I think if US ventures into cities in central/eastern Europe, they will stick to cities that have a *A on the other end (VIE, IST, *maybe* WAW). The 767 fleet is tiny as it is and if they start going to other places like HNL and GIG that leaves less room for expansion to smaller cities in Europe that can not be served with a 75E. Ultimately, I think VIE and NCE would be good 767 routes.

Bucharest (OTP), I would say not a chance. DL couldn't even make it work from JFK outside of the peak summer months (they might be back next summer??) and I believe they had a partnership with TAROM, the Romanian flag carrier.

HEL has always struck me as odd as to why no US carrier serves it, though it is outside of the range of a 757 so that probably explains why CO or US isn't there. I would say AA (or DL from JFK) would be the most likely since HEL is a oneworld hub.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I was thinking BUD & PRG due to a fairly large number of people of Hungarian and Slovak descent in the greater PHL area (Actually PA in general).

Why would Slovaks want to fly to Hungary :down: and Czech Republic?



Although you can fly from PRG to BTS, KSC and ILZ, most Slovaks do not connect in PRG - (most likely exception are those traveling to KSC) - instead they connect elsewhere in EU and fly into VIE. I'm still of the opinion that if US wants to serve eastern EU, their best option is to fly PHL-VIE and take advantage of codesharing possibilities with * alliance partner OS, which along wtih VIE airport have marketed themselves as the port of entry to eastern EU quite nicely since the 1990's.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

VIE is a good option for anything in E. Europe Czech, Hungary, Slovakia, Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia as well as former Soviet states like Belarus and Moldova and even the "stans" are served from VIE. And its a pretty easy airport to navigate, not too big. I agree that PRG or BUD would not be money makers, but VIE could work.

 

[snnus]

CLT-DUB???.. really???