Twinkees Dead, Union Charged with Ho-Homicide..

[SparrowHawk]

Once again you dont get it.

How can you reward executives for failure while the workforce gives back concessions.

Were they rewarded? Or merely paid market rates for their jobs when compared to companies of similar szie and financial condition. The free market determines wages, not Obama or even a union. YES unions can and do provide better wages to a select few over a certain period of time. The length of time is determined by the free market as eventually wages, prices and level of competition will weigh in. Throw in some poor management and the Union and Company are doomed.

There is no place in economic reality for Class Warfare. Just more failed rhetoric from the Dinosaurs at the top whose only goal in a modern union is to fleece their members and provide little if any meaningful support in times of struggle. If the Union movement is dead the cause of death was suicide.

 

[700UW]

They all ready had established pay rates, they were given exorbitant raises while workers were taking cuts.

Look at Lee Iccoca, did he take a huge raise when Chrysler was on the brink of going out of business?

Just like Bruce Lakefield, US was in its second bankruptcy on less than two years, he took the employees to court to impose emergency pay cuts on its employees of 20%, he made more than the CEO of WN and B6, which were two of the most profitable airlines and US was failing again.

You lead by example.

 

[SparrowHawk]

You lead by example.

Not if you don't have to. You still haven't budged off the AFL-CIO Talking points and delivered an actual popinion. I might be wrong but at least I can think for myself. What's interesting with you is you never respond to something posted that can't be handled with an AFL-CIO talking point.

There are plenty of well run companies out there and Hostess wasn't one of them. Excrement Happens.

 

[700UW]

I dont need the AFL-CIO or anyone else telling me its wrong. You havent lived through it at US or Hostess so you have no idea.

Dave Siegel walked away with $6 million in his pension while mine was terminated, I dont need the AFL-CIO or anyone else telling me that wrong. And the AFL-CIO wasnt involved in our negotiations or bankruptcy.

Its criminal that the company can use the law to abrogate our CBA but yet the same process doesnt exist to do that to the employment contracts of the executives.

Which way is the wind blowing today? So I can see which position you take today.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I dont need the AFL-CIO or anyone else telling me its wrong. You havent lived through it at US or Hostess so you have no idea.

Dave Siegel walked away with $6 million in his pension while mine was terminated, I dont need the AFL-CIO or anyone else telling me that wrong. And the AFL-CIO wasnt involved in our negotiations or bankruptcy.

Its criminal that the company can use the law to abrogate our CBA but yet the same process doesnt exist to do that to the employment contracts of the executives.

Which way is the wind blowing today? So I can see which position you take today.

Apparently Mr Siegel was a better negotiator at contract time. IAM negotiated a contract. Siegel did likewise. No laws were broken. Get over it! you lost, Capitalism has winners and losers. Bottom line is the Unions didn't protect the jobs at Hostess because a company or union can't dictate wages and prices in a free market. The free market rendered its verdict on Hostess Management and Unions and found them guilty and the sentence was the death penalty.

Lastly,fairness has no place in business. All that matters is what you negotiate.

 

[700UW]

The law is written to favor companies, not the common worker.

I guess you have comprehension problems, I had a contract that provided me a pension and a nice wage, yet they used the court system to screw the workers, the same laws dont exist for that to happen to the executives.

Look at WN, highest paid, highest and most consistent profitable airline, oh and by the way the highest percentage of a unionized workforce.

The airlines arent a free market when laws are used to screw the employees while the executives profit.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The law is written to favor companies, not the common worker.

I guess you have comprehension problems, I had a contract that provided me a pension and a nice wage, yet they used the court system to screw the workers, the same laws dont exist for that to happen to the executives.

Look at WN, highest paid, highest and most consistent profitable airline, oh and by the way the highest percentage of a unionized workforce.

The airlines arent a free market when laws are used to screw the employees while the executives profit.

You also had the opportunity to close US Airways for good by not accepting concessions. Your union made a choice, The bakers made a choice, now go live with it. The whole deck is rigged, that's why Big Labor donates MILLIONS to one party. To buy influence just like corporations do. No difference so get off the moral high horse.

Besides the Democrats have controlled Government for almost an entire uninterupted century. So who do you think gave you the labor laws that you moan about?

 

[700UW]

We didnt accept concessions the last time per say, our CBA was abrogated and the judge was going to impose the final offer, but made the membership vote on it, and they accepted it to get the severance pay.

So the gun was pointed to the membership's head, now wasnt it?

 

[700UW]

Union dues cannot be used to given to a political party or candidate, voluntary pac money can be.

Unlike corporations who can give millions to candidates or parties with little regulation.

Funny how you left that fact out.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Union dues cannot be used to given to a political party or candidate, voluntary pac money can be.

Unlike corporations who can give millions to candidates or parties with little regulation.

Funny how you left that fact out.

ALL funds are fungible. That's how we got Enron. Moving the money around from pot to pot until they ran out of pots. So you'll pardon me but I know the laws on funds and unions. I also know of Trumka style arm twisting for donations works as well. Just because it's collected as dues doesn't mean it stays in the dues pot. Funds are fungible.

Ask Hosni Mubarek just how much "Humanitarian aid" from the US ended up in his bank account over the years? And you think the IAM doesn't haave equally sharp theif accountants? Seriously? Please!

 

[700UW]

Every penny a union spends has to be made public and accounted for, unlike corporations.

Keep trying.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Every penny a union spends has to be made public and accounted for, unlike corporations.

Keep trying.

BULLSH*T! You find me an accountant and I'll hide the money from Government. Be serious for once.

 

[700UW]

Have you been in a union and had to file an LM2?

Guess you never heard of the Landrum-Griffith Act? Labor Managment Disclosure Act?

Have you ever been in a DOL Audit?

Every single penny a union spends is public record, cant say the same about a company.

http://www.dol.gov/compliance/laws/comp-lmrda.htm#.UKqJw4awWgc

 

[SparrowHawk]

Have you been in a union and had to file an LM2?

Guess you never heard of the Landrum-Griffith Act? Labor Managment Disclosure Act?

Have you ever been in a DOL Audit?

Every single penny a union spends is public record, cant say the same about a company.

http://www.dol.gov/c...tm#.UKqJw4awWgc

ALL funds are fungable. So stop it. One the DOL shouldn't even exist under the COTUS and neither should Landrum-Grifith or LMDA. When government meddles we all pay more.

 

[700UW]

So you want chaos with no laws and regulations?

Back to the days of Rockerfeller, Vanderbuilt and Carnegie?