TWU launches union drive of Southwest mechanics to decertify AMFA Read more here: http://blogs.star

[swamt]

And AMFA clearly isnt interest in overhaul members. They have already written them off.

"'The mechanics decided to take a different path, so we'll have to see what happens,' Prisco said. 'The Teamsters aren't very informed about MRO [Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul facilities] and what the changes have been for the last 20 years. Their basic position is all work should be done at the airlines. Well, that ain't going to happen. That argument should have been made 20 years ago, when the outsourcing trend was starting', he said."

And who has been making the argument to keep the work in house? The TWU that's who.

The cards are not coming in. This is all a political positional move by the TWU. They just scared. They will now claim that they are getting record cards from the SWA guys in a 'last ditch effort" to get TWU ballots checked when the representational vote comes at AA.
The quote above is correct about the teamsters started the outsoursing 28 years ago at SWA. AMFA wasn't here 20 plus years ago.

And who has been making the argument to keep the work in house? The TWU that's who.

Really?? Don't see that since the TWU just "AGREED TO" outsoursing, job losses, and yet again, concessions out the ying-yang...

 

[Bob Owens]

The cards are not coming in. This is all a political positional move by the TWU. They just scared. They will now claim that they are getting record cards from the SWA guys in a 'last ditch effort" to get TWU ballots checked when the representational vote comes at AA.
The quote above is correct about the teamsters started the outsoursing 28 years ago at SWA. AMFA wasn't here 20 plus years ago.

And who has been making the argument to keep the work in house? The TWU that's who.

Really?? Don't see that since the TWU just "AGREED TO" outsoursing, job losses, and yet again, concessions out the ying-yang...

Looking at the quote, as usual for OS, its out of context. Apparently the quote was made in response to IBT claims during their raid against AMFA at UAL that the IBT would force UAL to bring all the work that the IAM agreement in Bankruptcy, outsourced, back in house. (Similar to the claims they made here that they would force AA to reopen the contract if they got voted in).The fact is the IBT never did this at UPS or as you know, WN. Well the IBT have been there for years and the only work that is coming back in house is due to language that preceeded the IBT, not sure if AMFA or the IAM put it in place, but they had language that prohibited NB OH from being outsourced overseas, most likely because those are the rates quoted in BK for the savings objective (we have no such language). This clause, along with rising costs for MROs due to the lack of mechanics, is bringing the work back in because its more cost effective to do so. We on the other hand do not have such a clause, AA can outsource any where. The real kicker is that when they valued the outsourcing we only got credit for the much higher domestic rates, not foreign, so AA can actually get much higher savings than they agreed to by outsourcing overseas, as they have with the 777 and landing gear work. The UAL language, along with the no layoff clause for anyone on payroll as of 12/31/2011 is much more protective of jobs than our 35% of "maintenance spend" language.

 

[Bob Owens]

Southwest M&R has had enough of the failed dream. The cards are starting to come in I hear.

Failed dream? Most of us dream of having what they got, whether it was an IBT extension or not, but wake up to the nightmare of what we have.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Failed dream? Most of us dream of having what they got, whether it was an IBT extension or not, but wake up to the nightmare of what we have.

Yes we know. Keeping folks employed and maintenance bases up and operational here in the US have never been one of your strong points...

 

[TWU informer]

Yes we know. Keeping folks employed and maintenance bases up and operational here in the US have never been one of your strong points...

Tell me again, how many jobs are leaving on the early out and stand in stead? Will not be replaced.
Why do you fools keep claiming you save jobs? We just lost thousands of jobs.
What was the outsource percentage again? With "peak demand" added?
And you got what? Your pension stolen frozen and retirement medical eliminated?

Oh and let's not forget the James C Little agreement with USAir that only gives the Tulsa Base 24 months.

Are you smoking weed or something?

 

[High Speed Steel]

Tell me again, how many jobs are leaving on the early out and stand in stead? Will not be replaced.
Why do you fools keep claiming you save jobs? We just lost thousands of jobs.
What was the outsource percentage again? With "peak demand" added?
And you got what? Your pension stolen frozen and retirement medical eliminated?

Oh and let's not forget the James C Little agreement with USAir that only gives the Tulsa Base 24 months.

Are you smoking weed or something?

Yes we still carry the banner for keeping the most work in house.
Yes we still carry the banner for keeping the most folks employed.
Yes you are still hard headed....lmao

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Yes we know. Keeping folks employed and maintenance bases up and operational here in the US have never been one of your strong points...

TWU keeps head count up with less wages and benefits. But they seem to really hit title one members extra hard. After the 2003 Sellout the AMTs spoke loud and clear that they were through with concessions for jobs, but the TWU International ignored us once again. I would really like to see you try to justify why a fleet service clerk and a stock clerk deserve better benefits than an AMT (or machinist or welder). They (stock clerks) get more vacation and both SC and FS get 100% sick time pay. Stores also is now getting skill pay on top of the longevity pay that we have not had since 2003! You really wonder why people are sick of the TWU? The international is out of touch with the membership but that is how it has always been since I have been here.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

You got around 25% participation in your officer elections. The apathy for AMFA at Southwest is very similar to when the IBT got dumped. Members were pissed at the IBT and now they are done with AMFA. Southwest just took a little longer to catch on that you guys have been taking their dues and doing nothing but extending an IBT contract with your team of "professional" negotiators. The same ones that "negotiated" away all those NW, UA, and AS jobs. AMFA knows their idea of a craft union having power is a failure. They lost at UA and NW, rolled at AS on overhaul, and have done nothing to improve the status quo on jobs at Southwest.

Southwest M&R has had enough of the failed dream. The cards are starting to come in I hear.

25% participation for officer elections you say. And that compares to ZERO participation for TWU ATD officers!

The twu is embarrassing themselves even further. Kind of like you when you post.

Go AMFA!

 

[High Speed Steel]

TWU keeps head count up with less wages and benefits. But they seem to really hit title one members extra hard. After the 2003 Sellout the AMTs spoke loud and clear that they were through with concessions for jobs, but the TWU International ignored us once again. I would really like to see you try to justify why a fleet service clerk and a stock clerk deserve better benefits than an AMT (or machinist or welder). They (stock clerks) get more vacation and both SC and FS get 100% sick time pay. Stores also is now getting skill pay on top of the longevity pay that we have not had since 2003! You really wonder why people are sick of the TWU? The international is out of touch with the membership but that is how it has always been since I have been here.

It's called separate negotiation Old guy. That is the way you want it. If you are so enchanted by what the other groups got in their negotiation maybe you should 12m transfer into one of their title groups. 😛

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Yes we still carry the banner for keeping the most work in house.
Yes we still carry the banner for keeping the most folks employed.
Yes you are still hard headed....lmao

Carrying a banner for outsourcing while wearing a paper bag over your head.

Go AMFA!

 

[swamt]

Overspeed, on 09 December 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:


You got around 25% participation in your officer elections. The apathy for AMFA at Southwest is very similar to when the IBT got dumped. Members were pissed at the IBT and now they are done with AMFA. Southwest just took a little longer to catch on that you guys have been taking their dues and doing nothing but extending an IBT contract with your team of "professional" negotiators. The same ones that "negotiated" away all those NW, UA, and AS jobs. AMFA knows their idea of a craft union having power is a failure. They lost at UA and NW, rolled at AS on overhaul, and have done nothing to improve the status quo on jobs at Southwest.

Southwest M&R has had enough of the failed dream. The cards are starting to come in I hear.


First, I will say I agree that the 26% tur out vote for our officers was embarrassing, pathetic in my mind.
The apathy at SWA for AMFA does not even come close to comparing how we felt about the teamsters. We removed the teamsters in a record 2 week card drive. If we were pissed at AMFA, as you claim we are (more lies), then they too would be removed in a record card drive. Not going to happen.
Our team of professional negos were not the same ones that nego for NW, UAL and AS as you claim. Again you are just throwing lies upon lies now. Your desperation is really getting out of hand. AMFA has in fact, nego better language, better jobs, added maint work in house, added more mechs since their inception in 2003 than the teamsters have in their 28 years at SWA. We are not done with AMFA as you are trying to suggest we are. Yes, some of us are recieving flyers in the mail, Yes, it is full of lies and misinformation. Love to see the TWU waste their members dues in such a drastic erronious fashion. This is exactly what the teamsters always do when they campaign for new blood.
I personally will be sending the flyer back to sender at the highest rate of postage possible. However, my message will be VERY clear on my preference of union I wish to keep representing me. Again TWU, thanks for wasting your members funds so foolishly... LOL Gotta love this stuff people!!!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

25% participation for officer elections you say. And that compares to ZERO participation for TWU ATD officers!

The twu is embarrassing themselves even further. Kind of like you when you post.

Go AMFA!

Overspeed

The officers at AMFA are different than when NWA was AMFA and even now some of those officers have changed due to an election. But there unlike the TWU or IBT officers can be removed and elected. The membership has a choice of who sits on the national boards. The twu appoints as does the IBT. Each carrier has its own airline reps and negotiating teams. So not same guys at NWA, UAL, AS. AMFA is in contract talks now to a contract that is amendable, since no contract expires. So the union that was first in place is the original owner of that contract and all thats in it unless changes are made. NOT AMFA's contract its an IBT contract at SWA.

You talk about participation what are the true numbers of the last TA here at AA by station. How many did not even vote here at AA with all that was on the line for us? It only passed by what just a few votes (48) over 100 here in Miami did not even vote. mechanics at AA are just sick of the same old crap TWU.

With the acception of maybe Tulsa or AFW/DFW most of the line stations guys don't even go to union meetings with the TWU since its a waste of time. Same crap from the same scammers. No effective change can be made since Intl dictates here at AA.


The twu's version of seperate negotiations is still done by the same Intl team at AA. May happen on different days of week but the same guys do it all here at AA/TWU. Presidents council sits out side of actual room. Only at a AMFA represented company can ANY member sit in the actual room with National officers. AMFA also travels around system so that all memebers around system can participate the TWU does not or the IBT doesn't either.

TWU=Scammers

 

[swamt]

Carrying a banner for outsourcing while wearing a paper bag over your head.

Go AMFA!

Ken,
I am recomending all SWA mechanics to fill out the cards coming to them with AMFA all over them. Do not put your personal information on there, but write AMFA all over the card in black sharpie so they will have to pay for all the postage of the returns, but as they start getting exited about their flyers coming back, as they open them all for AMFA and can not be counted for TWU. Come on guys what do you say? Just clearly state that you elect AMFA to stay our representation so they cannot count it as a TWU support. Remember, the NMB has to approve all the cards so be carefull of what you write. Send them packing boys, just like we did the teamsters.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

O/S

When AA mechanics vote in AMFA the officers will change again since AA will have the numbers to vote in whom we feel will serve AA and all the other carriers AMFA represents. Or keep old ones if they are doing a good job but we will have that choice. With the TWU we can not do that. OV Delle Fem was in charge when UAL was AMFA.

Just how long has Little and the rest of the boys been around?

Don V = ?
Bobby G = ?
Vanderloo = ?
Drumman = ?

Did the membership vote any of these guys in NO. Can they be voted OUT? NO

 

[odie01]

Ken,
I am recomending all SWA mechanics to fill out the cards coming to them with AMFA all over them. Do not put your personal information on there, but write AMFA all over the card in black sharpie so they will have to pay for all the postage of the returns, but as they start getting exited about their flyers coming back, as they open them all for AMFA and can not be counted for TWU. Come on guys what do you say? Just clearly state that you elect AMFA to stay our representation so they cannot count it as a TWU support. Remember, the NMB has to approve all the cards so be carefull of what you write. Send them packing boys, just like we did the teamsters.

That's what we are doing with the teamsters pre paid postage cards, but we are writing....No thanks Jim...twu sux.......More of the same.......