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TWU launches union drive of Southwest mechanics to decertify AMFA Read more here: http://blogs.star

Ken,
I am recomending all SWA mechanics to fill out the cards coming to them with AMFA all over them. Do not put your personal information on there, but write AMFA all over the card in black sharpie so they will have to pay for all the postage of the returns, but as they start getting exited about their flyers coming back, as they open them all for AMFA and can not be counted for TWU. Come on guys what do you say? Just clearly state that you elect AMFA to stay our representation so they cannot count it as a TWU support. Remember, the NMB has to approve all the cards so be carefull of what you write. Send them packing boys, just like we did the teamsters.

SWAMT

I did that here in Miami with the IBT cards wrote amfa at AA and mailed them back to the IBT.

If they want to spend money on postage to us they deserve to pay postage back to them.

I hope all the guys at SWA do it. Good luck with you negotiations, keep the faith, NO TWU>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
It's called separate negotiation Old guy. That is the way you want it. If you are so enchanted by what the other groups got in their negotiation maybe you should 12m transfer into one of their title groups. 😛

I really would like you to come into any line maint. break area and say that. That would be funny...
 
SWAMT

I did that here in Miami with the IBT cards wrote amfa at AA and mailed them back to the IBT.

If they want to spend money on postage to us they deserve to pay postage back to them.

I hope all the guys at SWA do it. Good luck with you negotiations, keep the faith, NO TWU>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you haven't heard yet. The company has finally put their tails between their legs and have announced we will in fact start the 4th line next year (were hearing by March or April). Really don't know why they thought they could get rid of it, it's in the contract. Not claiming this is a win for us, as it should have already been started. The company will try to sell the fact that it was a win for us. Negos are pressing on. Just in the very beginning stages, and it looks as though we will be adressing every single article. Looking at 2-4 years plus possibly...
 
It's called separate negotiation Old guy. That is the way you want it. If you are so enchanted by what the other groups got in their negotiation maybe you should 12m transfer into one of their title groups. 😛
Ah..... The separate negotiations excuse. Hewett tried that one too and it doesn't hold water. The truth is that the TWU has used the AMTs to increase pay and benefits for all other work groups. How else do you explain why we gave more of a percentage of our pay and also more benefits than any other work group? Now some AMTs will take another pay cut and be OSMs. TWU treats us like red headed step children and it is past due to kick them out the door. Let's see how they negotiate without us to take from and give to others.
 
It's called separate negotiation Old guy. That is the way you want it. If you are so enchanted by what the other groups got in their negotiation maybe you should 12m transfer into one of their title groups. 😛

Separate negotiations?

An interesting point came out during the BK hearings, The company demanded that I leave the room while they discussed numbers. At first I refused to leave, I said I had already signed their confidentiality letter so I had access to all that info anyway, then they said that I didn't, that the info they were to discuss was only shared with the "high level negotiators, all the international people were allowed to stay. So the company admitted that we really weren't the negotiators, thats why they list the elected negotiators as "witnesses" in the contract. The contract is negotiated by the AATD, we are allowed to sit in on parts of the discussion, then we sit in a room and debate, Don would pull guys aside, give a nod, and on cue they would make motions. When the Fleet service guys would show up we knew that a vote was coming. It was all a show to get the "committee" to agree to what Don had already decided for us. The idea being that when we left we would go back to our members and sell it, because if the members knew that Don negotiated it there is no way it would pass. The added plus is that when the dust settles and the members realize how bad the deal is the ATD sits back and blames the elected witnesses, so the next round they get all new "witnesses" and do the same scam all over again. Unfortunately for Don we would not agree to support this deal and the ATD had to sell it, so this time when the dust settles the blame will lie where it belongs. So, to retaliate against us Don came up with a plan to wipe out all the uncooperative locals and reward the cooperative one. He devised a plan to send Title II line mechanics to Fleet Service locals, send whats left of 567 and DWH to Tulsa to ensure that Tulsa retains the ability to outvote all the other line mechanics , eliminate 5 mechanics from the next negotiating committee and adding three more Fleet service clerks. With Dons plan, in 2018 there could be just 2 aircraft mechanics with 11 Fleet service clerks on the M&R committee. Seperate negotiations? 5 FSC for each aircraft mechanic on the M&R committee? Are you for real?

I have to wonder if his real intent was to help the teamster drive? Surely he knows that when mechanics see the new structure, which is worse than what we have now, that the mechanics would figure out that the only way to get FSC Presidents out of the M&R "negotiations" would be for M&R to leave the TWU and go to a different union. The fact that according to their plan this was to be crammed down our throats without a vote further supports that the intent was to further alienate members from the TWU, luckily, so far, the IEC has not been too receptive to the idea of liquidating 6 locals without the members consent. They did a hard sell, with the aid of Donnelly's math, to convince the IEC that the Locals would fail due to the loss of UBB, but the IEC didn't like the fact that they never even let the Locals that were going to be dissolved submit a business plan to deal with the loss of UBB. I've asked for a copy of what Donnelly drew up for Local 562, I have not received it. If you recall after we rejected the TA and came up with a new table position where he claimed we were asking for a $1billion contract, after we questioned some of his assumptions he knocked it down to $750 million, only $250 million off. I would love to see what assumptions he made with his projections as far as our Local finances. Since I havent been allowed to see it I suspect that he used the company's UBB numbers, The company claimed we had 4 guys on UBB, we only ever had one. He most likely "assumed" that we would have to pay four guys full time UB, and most likely at the company's stated annual cost per mechanic, which includes benefits, overtime (12%?) and overhead. We were never given the opportunity to review or challenge Donnelly's projections. Over time this would have all eventually come out, so I have to wonder what their true intent was? I have to wonder if the IBT has already promised the M&R guys at the ATD positions in the IBT should they win? I was contacted by the IBT, but unlike Todd Woodward I did not meet with them. I told him that my objective was to try and fix what we have. seems like some in the ATD are trying to break it even more than it already is,
 
And the TWU calls itself a Democratic union?
Are you kidding me? I hope you SWA AMT's are reading this stuff.
It sounds so far fetched but it is true. If you get a TWU card mail it back BLANK.
If you must place a name put Phat Dons name or Bobby Gless or Todd Woodward.
 
And the TWU calls itself a Democratic union?
Are you kidding me? I hope you SWA AMT's are reading this stuff.
It sounds so far fetched but it is true. If you get a TWU card mail it back BLANK.
If you must place a name put Phat Dons name or Bobby Gless or Todd Woodward.
Some of us are.
We keep others informed also.
I sent mine back blank as well.
 
Dont send it back blank, the twu will fill it out and forge your signature. Never trust the twu.....period
 
Some of us are.
We keep others informed also.
I sent mine back blank as well.

Not the story I get. Sounds like they are being signed and turned in for TWU representation. AMFA must not be doing a very good job of taking care of their own...
 
Not the story I get. Sounds like they are being signed and turned in for TWU representation. AMFA must not be doing a very good job of taking care of their own...

In any group of people, there will always be a few uneducated dreamers, completely detached from reality, who think that an impotent industrial union will save them from macro economic forces beyond their control. I imagine that even Southwest, with its stringent pre-hiring screening, was unable to prevent some of them from being hired as mechanics.

It's like the person who keeps switching from checkout lane to checkout lane when the grocery store is crowded at 6pm. UA's mechanics are the best example, ditching the IAM for AMFA and then giving up on AMFA so they could be screwed by the Teamsters.
 
In any group of people, there will always be a few uneducated dreamers, completely detached from reality, who think that an impotent industrial union will save them from macro economic forces beyond their control. I imagine that even Southwest, with its stringent pre-hiring screening, was unable to prevent some of them from being hired as mechanics.

It's like the person who keeps switching from checkout lane to checkout lane when the grocery store is crowded at 6pm. UA's mechanics are the best example, ditching the IAM for AMFA and then giving up on AMFA so they could be screwed by the Teamsters.

Well Ok, but hasn't AMFA only extended a contract over and over again that was negotiated by an Industrial Union? Seems their members have come to realize that and are ready to dump the AMFA themselves. This should be interesting as it develops, shouldn't take too many cards since there are so few there represented anyway...
 
Well Ok, but hasn't AMFA only extended a contract over and over again that was negotiated by an Industrial Union? Seems their members have come to realize that and are ready to dump the AMFA themselves. This should be interesting as it develops, shouldn't take too many cards since there are so few there represented anyway...

You're about as useful as a methane cloud expelled from a bovine's derrière. As is the twu's ability to "fight like Hell".
 
Well Ok, but hasn't AMFA only extended a contract over and over again that was negotiated by an Industrial Union? Seems their members have come to realize that and are ready to dump the AMFA themselves. This should be interesting as it develops, shouldn't take too many cards since there are so few there represented anyway...

Arent all contracts under the RLA extensions of what was in place from when the workers first got a contract?
 

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