TWU launches union drive of Southwest mechanics to decertify AMFA Read more here: http://blogs.star

[Ken MacTiernan]

You're one to talk....lmao

Yes, I am one to talk. I speak the truth and I don't speak from behind an alias while promoting the most docile industrial union in aviation.

Go AMFA!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Yes, I am one to talk. I speak the truth and I don't speak from behind an alias while promoting the most docile industrial union in aviation.

Go AMFA!

ken, since you speak the truth tell me why the members of the AMFA have reached out to the TWU and requested a card drive. There must be something going on within their association that has caused them to reach out for help. I've been out of the loop and have been very busy with other matters. Something must be up and with your ability to support the AMFA even within their darkest hours you shouldn't fear giving up the juicy stuff..... 😛

Their signing TWU cards for a reason and they have been coming in....

 

[WNMECH]

ken, since you speak the truth tell me why the members of the AMFA have reached out to the TWU and requested a card drive. There must be something going on within their association that has caused them to reach out for help. I've been out of the loop and have been very busy with other matters. Something must be up and with your ability to support the AMFA even within their darkest hours you shouldn't fear giving up the juicy stuff..... 😛

Their signing TWU cards for a reason and they have been coming in....

It is a lie by the TWU and you are a parrot repeating it as a fact.
I work here and never hear anyone say they want a new union.
No one goes to our union meetings complaining about this and that.
That is what we did when the IBT was here.

And to the ones talking about our contract.
The contract we inherited from from the teamsters has been modified with plenty of new protection language and we are plugging its holes whenever we can. We also got our payrates from our negotiations.
We ratified a teamster contract and immediately started a card drive in which we got the required number to file in two weeks.
Their where dozens of us collecting AMFA cards here on the shop floor.
No one is collecting cards or campaigning for the TWU.
NOBODY.

I know the mood back then and it is not like that at all now.

You can keep being a parrot like overspin but it is complete BS.

 

[1AA]

Psychological warfare. They will tell all the guys at AA that even SWA is interested in the TWU and they want to dump AMFA and stay away from the Teamsters. Unfortunately there are believers in Tulsa. This is a last grasp for the TWU before we file in 2013.
I say have an informational meeting at SWA. The TWU makes claims behind keyboards but will never show face to stand behind their lies and deceptive ways.

DEMAND A TWU INFORMATIONAL MEETING!!

They will REFUSE or not answer back.

 

[Overspeed]

Looking at the quote, as usual for OS, its out of context. Apparently the quote was made in response to IBT claims during their raid against AMFA at UAL that the IBT would force UAL to bring all the work that the IAM agreement in Bankruptcy, outsourced, back in house. (Similar to the claims they made here that they would force AA to reopen the contract if they got voted in).The fact is the IBT never did this at UPS or as you know, WN. Well the IBT have been there for years and the only work that is coming back in house is due to language that preceeded the IBT, not sure if AMFA or the IAM put it in place, but they had language that prohibited NB OH from being outsourced overseas, most likely because those are the rates quoted in BK for the savings objective (we have no such language). This clause, along with rising costs for MROs due to the lack of mechanics, is bringing the work back in because its more cost effective to do so. We on the other hand do not have such a clause, AA can outsource any where. The real kicker is that when they valued the outsourcing we only got credit for the much higher domestic rates, not foreign, so AA can actually get much higher savings than they agreed to by outsourcing overseas, as they have with the 777 and landing gear work. The UAL language, along with the no layoff clause for anyone on payroll as of 12/31/2011 is much more protective of jobs than our 35% of "maintenance spend" language.

Not out of context. Prisco said that outsourcing is here to stay. AMFA isn't going to fight for overhaul. He said it. AMFA won't even fight for it. They give up on overhaul everywhere they go. NW, UA, and AS. Great job AMFA. Overhaul your job is no worth fighting for.

The no lay off clause and job security date was negotiated in AFTER airframe overhaul was already gone. Pretty easy to get job protection when the work is already gone. The TWU language protects work that is still here and future work when it comes on line. The 35% is strong and will limit to a much greater degree than the UA language. The calculation runs off invoice cost, not labor rate. Read the contract. No one has a clause that keeps work stateside. You know that. AMFA has no such language and neither does the IBT. The new UPS contract allows more foreign outsourcing read the language. The formula allows work to be done on aircraft based on the time they fly outside the US. AMFA rolled and allowed outsourcing to El Salvador to get another three year extension on the IBT contract at WN.

Keep making stuff up.

 

[Overspeed]

Psychological warfare. They will tell all the guys at AA that even SWA is interested in the TWU and they want to dump AMFA and stay away from the Teamsters. Unfortunately there are believers in Tulsa. This is a last grasp for the TWU before we file in 2013.
I say have an informational meeting at SWA. The TWU makes claims behind keyboards but will never show face to stand behind their lies and deceptive ways.

DEMAND A TWU INFORMATIONAL MEETING!!

They will REFUSE or not answer back.

I heard there is a sale on foil at the Winn Dixie so you can make so more hats.

 

[Overspeed]

25% participation for officer elections you say. And that compares to ZERO participation for TWU ATD officers!

The twu is embarrassing themselves even further. Kind of like you when you post.

Go AMFA!

Were you a local officer? Then you know that you were the person who votes on behalf of your members as a delegate to the convention.

Ken, I am sure you were really pissed about getting that DFW transfer deal from an appointed Int'l officer weren't you. Sure was nice to have his number on speed dial when your family was moving without you and he helped you by opening another slot.

 

[Rogallo]

Well Ok, but hasn't AMFA only extended a contract over and over again that was negotiated by an Industrial Union? Seems their members have come to realize that and are ready to dump the AMFA themselves. This should be interesting as it develops, shouldn't take too many cards since there are so few there represented anyway...

Wasn't our short lived contract just before 9/11 a mirror image of what AMFA had just negotiated at NW?

 

[JAFI]

TWU has agreed to concessions with AA and went out and sold the concessions to the membership for decades; 1983-1993-2003 and now in 2012. They almost kept their perfect record of every 10 years, missed this last one by one year. No thanks. Don't need them. Their just pissed that they will be kicked to the curb soon at AA.

You haven't got a clue what you are talking about, but your arrogance and agenda just won't allow room for the facts.

The 1983 contract was NOT SUPPORTED OR RECOMMENDED BY THE TWU. End of story. It was the #### MEMBERSHIP who voted it in against the unions position.

http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/InfoWeb?p_product=NewsBank&p_theme=aggregated5&p_action=doc&p_docid=0EB294EB84751947&p_docnum=17&p_queryname=2


UNION OKS AMERICAN AIRLINES PACT
Philadelphia Inquirer, The (PA) - Saturday, March 5, 1983
Author: United Press International
Transportation Workers Union officials said yesterday that union members have ratified a new contract with American Airlines , averting a strike that had been scheduled for 12:01 a.m. today.

TWU leaders had recommended that the contract be rejected.

The airline set the strike deadline on the pact after the union backed out of a strike three weeks ago and submitted the contract to the membership.

American had said it would use nonunion personnel to run the airline if the TWU 's 10,000 ground workers struck. It also said if the contract was not ratified, it would begin laying off TWU workers.

The airline 's offer includes 21 percent pay raises over the three-year life of the contract; a clause the airline calls a "lifetime" job guarantee, and incentives for early retirement at age 55.

But it also grants the airline the right to ask TWU employees to do work not covered in their job descriptions; establishes a separate wage structure for new employees up to 27 percent below union scale, and allows the airline to contract for building maintainance work outside the union.

It was these clauses that prompted TWU officials to recommend that the contract be rejected.
Edition: FINAL
Section: BUSINESS
Page: D16
Index Terms: EMPLOYEE LABOR SALARY
Dateline: DALLAS
Record Number: 8301120031
Copyright (c) 1983 The Philadelphia Inquirer

 

[TWU informer]

ken, since you speak the truth tell me why the members of the AMFA have reached out to the TWU and requested a card drive. There must be something going on within their association that has caused them to reach out for help. I've been out of the loop and have been very busy with other matters. Something must be up and with your ability to support the AMFA even within their darkest hours you shouldn't fear giving up the juicy stuff..... 😛

Their signing TWU cards for a reason and they have been coming in....

You actually believe everything the TWU says without ever checking to see if there is any truth to it. Members like you is why we always fail.

 

[1AA]

I heard there is a sale on foil at the Winn Dixie so you can make so more hats.

Point made. COWARDS!!

 

[1AA]

Wasn't our short lived contract just before 9/11 a mirror image of what AMFA had just negotiated at NW?

YES and the Company NOT the TWU offered about .50 more an hour. This was done to keep AMFA away and the TWU on the property. There was a strong AMFA drive at the time right after NWA got their nice contract. AA had to do better and they did. Short lived of course and the rest is in the history books for AA and the TWU.

 

[Overspeed]

Failed dream? Most of us dream of having what they got, whether it was an IBT extension or not, but wake up to the nightmare of what we have.

Yep Bob, most do dream of what WN AMTs get paid but aren't willing to sacrifice 80% of our fellow union brothers and sisters jobs like you. You never tell the whole story. You want lower seniority people to pay for your raise.

 

[Realityck]

Yep Bob, most do dream of what WN AMTs get paid but aren't willing to sacrifice 80% of our fellow union brothers and sisters jobs like you. You never tell the whole story. You want lower seniority people to pay for your raise.

Bob: How easily you ignore that it was your successful Vote No efforts on the 2010 TA that resulted in what you now describe as a nightmare. Stand up and take a bow.

 

[WNMECH]

Yep Bob, most do dream of what WN AMTs get paid but aren't willing to sacrifice 80% of our fellow union brothers and sisters jobs like yoou. You never tell the whole story. You want lower seniority people to pay for your raise.

Again you lie and claim that AMFA wants to give up 80% of AA jobs.
When we went AMFA at SWA we did not give up any jobs.
We have never given up jobs here, only added jobs.
Now go ahead and claim that because we didn't add jobs fast enough for you that it means somehow that we gave jobs away.
Spin away overspin.