TWU,TEAMSTERS AND AA

[1AA]

AMFA was short by 27 cards. The NMB allowed certain people to still be eligible. Problem is how do you get cards from guys that retired and are pushing roses?

 

[Anomaly]

That money and clout was non-existent when Hostess Corporation went to Bankruptcy. In fact, the mighty Teamsters were first to give concessions, and then when the Bakers Union struck, the Teamsters crossed their picket line.

Reality, never matches the Teamsters campaign rhetoric

And at United Airlines, your heave checks have been signed away to China. You are nothing more than a stooge paid to post on this forum, but the facts dont even come close to your post.

You have to quit making sh*t up...

 

[Anomaly]

Think again! A three way race is easier to win than a two way. Line AMT's will control the outcome. Tulsa will split between the three unions with and it will be a near even three way split. Tulsa split three ways with 1/3rd going AMFA, and if the Line AMT's write in AMFA, then AMFA wins. Your math is off because you are a pessimist. Do something for a change instead of predicting a negative outcome and doubting the card count, if we get a ballot stand up to the dictators and make history for a change. This is why you will never see a ballot in your hand. You can create the negative outcome by believing it will happen and following through to insure you are right.

I think you need to read the NMB rules again mis-informer. I will hold comment until you get another chance to do that.

(If this guy is an example of amfa leadership...it's no wonder they failed)

 

[Anomaly]

Teamsters brag they have the money.
Well lets look at the LM-2 for 2011
Teamsters have $212,000,000 in assets.
AMFA has 1,400,000 in assets.
Teamsters have liabilities of 74 million
AMFA has liabilities of $400,000.
Teamsters memberships 1.3 million
AMFA memberships 2.700
So yes AMFA is smaller and has less money but look at how much
money the Teamsters spends on YOU as a member vs AMFA.

Teamsters= $162
AMFA= $535
Why is this? Because AMFA only represents the M&R group. The money stays with us. On the other hand the Teamsters have to share the wealth to all the other groups,
Not to mention the huge salaries of the Appointed International Officers. Sounds like the TWU to me. Dont you think?

AMFA's two biggest locals are locals 11 and local 18
Combined they have $2 million in assets.
Local 11's membership count averages $1,200.00 per member.
Local 18's membership count averages $1,200.00 per member.
Yet the Teamsters can only spend $152 per member. Numbers do not lie.

AMFA has Maintenance locals already set up.

Here they are with projected membership figures.

DFW local 11 2,500 members
NYC local 1 900 members
LAX local 3 550 members HOW THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO RUN A LOCAL WITH 500 MEMBERS?
MIA local 6 800 members OR EVEN 800??
ORD local 4 950 members
TUL local 12 4,000 members

And yes you will elect ALL officers for each local. There is NO assigning of locals or business agents. You will vote on your ATD director. You have a say by voting. Can you say the same for the TWU or Teamsters?

This is why I encourage you to put aside last weeks events with the NMB filing and stay focused on AMFA's philosophy as a Class and Craft Union.

If and when you get your ballot use the WRITE IN option allowed by the NMB rules.
Check the box and write in AMFA.

This fight has made you delusional. First of all, how did you come up with $535 spent per member? Your numbers DO lie.

Second; take a look at amfa's LM-2....

SCHEDULE 3 - SALE OF INVESTMENTS AND FIXED ASSETS FILE NUMBER: 000-302
Description (if land or buildings give location)
(A) Cost
( B) Book Value
© Gross Sales Price
(D) Amount Received
(E) Total of all lines above $449,963 $449,963 $460,514 $460,514 Banc Amer Mtg Secs Inc Remic Ser 2004-5 $2,655 $2,655 $2,704 $2,704 Ba Amer Alt Ln Tr Remic Ser 2006-9 $3,479 $3,479 $3,515 $3,515 Bear Stearns Arm Tr Remic Ser 2003-1 $1,234 $1,234 $1,234 $1,234 Countrywide Remic Cwl 2007-13 $24,488 $24,488 $25,663 $25,663 Citicorp Mtg Secs Tr Remic Ser 2006-7 $2,406 $2,406 $2,414 $2,414 Federal Hm Ln Mtg Cp Ghr 2785 Mb $1,941 $1,941 $1,929 $1,929 Federal Hm Ln Mtg Cp Fhr 3002 Gg $3,986 $3,986 $4,000 $4,000 Federal Hm Ln Mtg Cp Fhr 3047 Xb $8,060 $8,060 $8,042 $8,042 Federal Hm Ln Mtg Cp Fhr 3075 Cn $1,315 $1,315 $1,302 $1,302 Greenpoint Mtg Fdg Tr Remic 2005-HE1 $7,113 $7,113 $7,113 $7,113 Impac Cmb Trust Remic 2004-4 $70,098 $70,098 $71,380 $71,380 Indymac Inda Mtg Ln Remic Ser 2006-AR1 $938 $938 $938 $938 Merrill Lynch Mtg Invs Remic 2004-WMC5 $12,378 $12,378 $12,490 $12,490 Novastar Heq Nhel 2004-4 $21,456 $21,456 $21,444 $21,444 Terwin Mtg Tr Remic 2005-12 $1,304 $1,304 $1,304 $1,304 Wells Fargo Mtg Bkd Secs Remic Ser 2004-EE $1,441 $1,441 $1,553 $1,553 Wells Fargo Mtg Bkd Secs Remic Ser 2007-10 $8,451 $8,451 $8,523 $8,523 Wells Fargo Mtg Bkd Secs Remic Ser 2006-11 $188 $188 $952 $952 First Trust Unit 3297 Invt Grade Sel Closed End $79,799 $79,799 $83,372 $83,372 Banc Amer Mtg Secs Inc Remic Ser 2005-5 $2,242 $2,242 $2,242 $2,242 Ba Amer Alt Ln Tr Remic Ser 2006-9 $5,219 $5,219 $5,272 $5,272 Banc Amer Fdg Tr Remic Ser 2007-3 $1,588 $1,588 $1,592 $1,592 Bear Stearns Arm Tr Remic Ser 2003-1 $1,794 $1,794 $1,794 $1,794 Chl Mtg Pass Thru Tr Remic Ser 2006-21 $1,795 $1,795 $1,807 $1,807 Citicorp Mtg Secs Tr Remic Ser 2006-7 $2,406 $2,406 $2,414 $2,414 Fedl Natl Mtg Assn Remic Ser 2012-84 $16,663 $16,663 $16,663 $16,663 Fedl Home Loan Mtg Corp 4097 $18,057 $18,057 $18,057 $18,057 Impac Cmb Trust Imm 2004-4 $20,019 $20,019 $19,015 $19,015 Indymac Inda Mtg Ln Tr Remic Ser 2006-AR1 $1,263 $1,263 $1,263 $1,263 Master Adj Rate tg Tr Remic Ser 2004-13 $7,511 $7,511 $7,537 $7,537 Merrill Lynch Mtg Invs Remic 2004-WMC5 $26,819 $26,819 $27,062 $27,062 Terwin Mtg Tr Remic 2005-12 $2,896 $2,896 $2,896 $2,896 Wells Fargo Mtg Bkd Secs Remic Ser 2004-EE $1,441 $1,441 $1,553 $1,553 Wells Fargo Mtg Bkd Secs Remic Ser 2007-10 $10,415 $10,415 $10,504 $10,504 Wells Fargo Mtg Bkd Secs Remic Ser 2006-11 $692 $692 $3,497 $3,497 First Trust Unit 3297 Invt Grade Sel Closed End $23,933 $23,933 $24,870 $24,870 Adjustable Rate Mtg Tr Remic Ser 2004-2 $682 $682 $687 $687 Bear Stearns Arm Tr Remic Ser 2003-1 $1,037 $1,037 $1,037 $1,037 Fedl Home Loan Mtg Corp 4097 $6,019 $6,019 $6,019 $6,019 Greenpoint Mtg Fdg Tr Remic Ser 2005-HE1 $31,330 $31,330 $31,330 $31,330 Merrill Lynch Mtg Invs Remic 2004-WMC5 $13,412 $13,412 $13,531 $13,531 Less Reinvestments $0 (The total from Net Sales Line will be automatically entered in Item 43) Net Sales $460,514
Form LM-2 (Revised 2010)
SCHEDULE 4 - PURCHASE OF INVESTMENTS AND FIXED ASSETS FILE NUMBER: 000-302
Description (if land or buildings, give location)
(A) Cost
( B) Book Value
© Cash Paid
(D) Total of all lines above $406,317 $406,317 $406,317 First Trust Unit 3908 Invt Grade Sel Closed End $65,195 $65,195 $65,195 Countrywide Remic Cwl 2007-13 $24,488 $24,488 $24,488 Fedl Natl Mtg Assn Remic Ser 2012-152 $24,772 $24,772 $24,772 Fedl Natl Mtg Assn Remic Ser 2012-84 $15,272 $15,272 $15,272 First Trust Unit 3297 Invt Grade Sel Closed End $3,235 $3,235 $3,235 Fedl Natl Mtg Assn Remic Ser 2012-84 $99,721 $99,721 $99,721 Federal Home Loan Mtg Corp 4097 $90,899 $90,899 $90,899 First Trust Unit 3297 Invt Grade Sel Closed End $967 $967 $967 First Trust Unit 3908 Invt Grade Sel Closed End $17,559 $17,559 $17,559 Adjustable Rate Mtg Tr Remic Ser 2004-2 $13,863 $13,863 $13,863 Fedl Natl Mtg Assn Remic Ser 2012-84 $20,042 $20,042 $20,042 Federal Home Loan Mtg Remic 4097 $30,304 $30,304 $30,304 Less Reinvestments $0 (The total from Net Purchases Line will be automatically entered in Item 60.) Net Purchases $406,317
Form LM-2 (Revised 2010)

These charts show what amfa really does with your dues dollars. THEY PLAY THE MORTGAGE BACKED SECURITIES MARKET.

Seriously dude?? You really call these ASSETS? Most of these are underwater mortgages. Thank Delle for this sham...

Do you want to know how much amfa paid in 2012 to Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen, LLP?

$445,760 WOW.... No wonder Seasham loves these guys!

Want to know what amfa spent on the AA campaign in 2012?

American Airlines Campaign Expenses .............$7,976

Hold the phone............

This is a good one.

This is a charge from Seasham that you all are going to LOVE......

Seham, Seham, Meltz & Petersen, LLP Billed amfa......

Drum roll please..........


NMB Rule Changes 07/31/2012 $8,247

amfa.... YOU GOT RIPPED OFF

 

[700UW]

You have to quit making sh*t up...

He isnt making up stuff, its the truth.

 

[TWU informer]

You have to quit making sh*t up...

He isnt making up stuff, its the truth.

Anomoly is blinded by the Kool-Aid and the salary of an appointed stooge. Cannot see or accept the truth when right under the nose.

 

[DallasConehead]

Anomoly is blinded by the Kool-Aid and the salary of an appointed stooge. Cannot see or accept the truth when right under the nose.

Well,, these guys come up with pretty serious allegations and facts to support their positions, but yet the answer is name calling again. I don't get that.

Its like its ok if amfa does it, (piss away dues money) we will give them a pass. Whats up with that?

 

[1AA]

Well,, these guys come up with pretty serious allegations and facts to support their positions, but yet the answer is name calling again. I don't get that.

Its like its ok if amfa does it, (piss away dues money) we will give them a pass. Whats up with that?

AMFA dues stays with the members for the members of the craft. Teamsters dues has to cover all the members of their union plus the over paid international officers. Teamsters charges more in dues and can not give Aircraft Maintenance their own locals. AMFA charges less and has maintenance locals. With your own locals you have better representation. That is exactly what union representation is about.
With the Teamsters it is like the TWU all over again. In other words...

INDUSTRIAL UNIONISM.
So where will all the dues money go if we are represented by the Teamsters?

 

[TWU informer]

Well,, these guys come up with pretty serious allegations and facts to support their positions, but yet the answer is name calling again. I don't get that.

Its like its ok if amfa does it, (piss away dues money) we will give them a pass. Whats up with that?

Are you even following the conversation? The Discussion was about IBT caving into concessions and crossing the picket line during Hostess Corporation Bankruptcy. The IBT caved and scabbed, all the while the IBT organizers and supporters claim they have money and clout. Facts dont match the rhetoric. That was the allegation, which is proven fact, the response was I am making chit up. And you then you show up with nothing to add but negative BS. Trying allowing your emotions to fade and little and join in the debate with some real facts or opinions.

If you want to begin a debate about and with examples of each Union pissing away dues money then start by giving some proof of your claim and will respond with facts myself.

I never made any claim it was OK for AMFA to piss away dues money. Do you have an example? Or are you just trolling and attacking?

 

[DallasConehead]

Anomoly is blinded by the Kool-Aid and the salary of an appointed stooge. Cannot see or accept the truth when right under the nose.

What about calling names?

Are you even following the conversation
And you then you show up with nothing to add but negative BS.
examples of each Union pissing away dues money then start by giving some proof of your claim and will respond with facts myself.
I never made any claim it was OK for AMFA to piss away dues money. Do you have an example?

Spin spin spin.. Seems like Anomaly came up with some valid questions, your reply to brand him a stooge, instead of responding to the post.

[font="Calibri""]This is the thing and I will keep saying it over and over again. You guys want me to support the amfa, which is a possibility, but mostly what I see is a cultish like following that when someone comes with facts, they are quickly branded with a label and their facts are dismissed.[/font]

[font="Calibri""]So, I see the IBT with this killer instinct, they cut the amfa's guys legs right out from under them. I see the amfa guys as asleep at the wheel or not being completely honest about the amount of signed cards.[/font]

[font="Calibri""]So I ask myself, what should I do with my vote if I get one. But then I come in here and see this kind of stuff., and you Informer are one of the major organizers correct?[/font]

 

[TRAVIS]

Looks like the IBT was using some Common Sense to try to save jobs that the other union ( Bakers Union ) FAILED to see.
(We are sorry to announce that Hostess Brands, Inc. has been forced by a Bakers Union strike to shut down all operations and sell all company assets.)This also shows how a Pension Plan can get under funded at no fault by a union( As Hostess has repeatedly disclosed, it suspended contributions to its multi-employer pension plans in August 2011 because it faced a severe liquidity crisis and could no longer afford to maintain its pension contributions.).
Now no one has a JOB.
Hostess Brands worked tirelessly to complete a reorganization of its business as a going concern, including spending the better part of 18 months negotiating with its key constituents to obtain a consensual agreement to lower costs to a sustainable level. The Company had obtained the support of its largest union, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, and its lenders. However, the BCTGM leadership chose not to negotiate a new labor contract and instead, when presented with a final offer, launched a campaign to cripple the Company’s operations and force it to liquidate.
The wind down means the closure of 33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, approximately 5,500 delivery routes, 570 bakery outlet stores and the loss of 18,500 jobs.
You AMFA /IAM/ TWU boys need to learn just where to put the blame and not use BITS and PIECES of a story to twist things to make up BS.
http://www.oldhbinc.info

HAVE A NICE IBT DAY... 😛h34r:

 

[Anomaly]

What about calling names?



Spin spin spin.. Seems like Anomaly came up with some valid questions, your reply to brand him a stooge, instead of responding to the post.

[font=Calibri"]This is the thing and I will keep saying it over and over again. You guys want me to support the amfa, which is a possibility, but mostly what I see is a cultish like following that when someone comes with facts, they are quickly branded with a label and their facts are dismissed.[/font]

[font=Calibri"]So, I see the IBT with this killer instinct, they cut the amfa's guys legs right out from under them. I see the amfa guys as asleep at the wheel or not being completely honest about the amount of signed cards.[/font]

[font=Calibri"]So I ask myself, what should I do with my vote if I get one. But then I come in here and see this kind of stuff., and you Informer are one of the major organizers correct?[/font]

That's OK Dallas.... I get the same treatment from one of my Grand Daughters when I beat her at a game or don't give in to unreasonable demands (like Ice cream for breakfast). Like the informer, she sticks her tongue out at e and calls me a poopy face.

I realize both are young and often times have no other retort..... I roll with it. 😛 😛

 

[Anomaly]

Are you even following the conversation? The Discussion was about IBT caving into concessions and crossing the picket line during Hostess Corporation Bankruptcy. The IBT caved and scabbed, all the while the IBT organizers and supporters claim they have money and clout. Facts dont match the rhetoric. That was the allegation, which is proven fact, the response was I am making chit up. And you then you show up with nothing to add but negative BS. Trying allowing your emotions to fade and little and join in the debate with some real facts or opinions.

If you want to begin a debate about and with examples of each Union pissing away dues money then start by giving some proof of your claim and will respond with facts myself.

I never made any claim it was OK for AMFA to piss away dues money. Do you have an example? Or are you just trolling and attacking?

Mis-informer.... I thought you wanted a union to respond to the members requests? This is exactly what the Teamsters did at Hostess.

http://money.cnn.com...sing/index.html

In September, membership of one of its major unions, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, voted narrowly to accept a new contractwith reduced wages and benefits. The Bakers' union rejected the deal, however, prompting Hostess management to secure permission from a bankruptcy court to force a new concession contract on workers.

"Unfortunately, the company's operating and financial problems were so severe that it required steep concessions from a variety of stakeholders but not all stakeholders were willing to be constructive," said Ken Hall, the Teamsters' Secretary-Treasurer. "Teamster Hostess members, based on the facts and advice from respected restructuring advisors, understood what was at stake and voted to protect all jobs at Hostess."

As for your claims about crossing the picket lines.... prove it!! The company closed shortly after the company wide strike was called. When did anyone have time to cross?? Your claim of this with no proof is getting old. But I expect nothing less from one such as you.

amfa leadership had the same burn it down mentality at NWA. Did it shut down the company? NO. Did it give the mechanics what they wanted? NO. Did it allow the company to "restructure" by firing ALL the members and rehiring at non-union lower wages? You betcha !

Same thing will happen at Hostess.

http://www.nbcnews.c...nions-6C9636035

Twinkies are coming back—but under a new management that vows to use nonunion workers.

Five months after Hostess shut down over a standoff with its unions, the restructured company expects to put its snacks back on store shelves by summer. The Hostess closing left 18,000 people out of work across the country—about 5,000 of whom were union members. Hiring in remodeled plants is underway.

With Hostess back in business, labor analysts say the union movement may have taken a major hit just as it appeared to be regaining energy as workers went on strike.

TWU-Informer, You would make a PERFECT amfa leader. Keep up the good work

 

[Vortilon]

Looks like the IBT was using some Common Sense to try to save jobs that the other union ( Bakers Union ) FAILED to see.
(We are sorry to announce that Hostess Brands, Inc. has been forced by a Bakers Union strike to shut down all operations and sell all company assets.)This also shows how a Pension Plan can get under funded at no fault by a union( As Hostess has repeatedly disclosed, it suspended contributions to its multi-employer pension plans in August 2011 because it faced a severe liquidity crisis and could no longer afford to maintain its pension contributions.).
Now no one has a JOB.
Hostess Brands worked tirelessly to complete a reorganization of its business as a going concern, including spending the better part of 18 months negotiating with its key constituents to obtain a consensual agreement to lower costs to a sustainable level. The Company had obtained the support of its largest union, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, and its lenders. However, the BCTGM leadership chose not to negotiate a new labor contract and instead, when presented with a final offer, launched a campaign to cripple the Company’s operations and force it to liquidate.
The wind down means the closure of 33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, approximately 5,500 delivery routes, 570 bakery outlet stores and the loss of 18,500 jobs.
You AMFA /IAM/ TWU boys need to learn just where to put the blame and not use BITS and PIECES of a story to twist things to make up BS.
http://www.oldhbinc.info

HAVE A NICE IBT DAY... 😛h34r:

This article paints a different picture: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323916304578402860488523342.html

No Thanks IBT.....

 

[Anomaly]

Anomoly is blinded by the Kool-Aid and the salary of an appointed stooge. Cannot see or accept the truth when right under the nose.

I am blinded by reading the staggering amount of money amfa invested in underwater mortgages. Are you kidding? This type of a gamble with member money should be illegal. In fact, I think it is in another version and an older story...?

With all the money amfa supposedly has...why spend so little on this AA campaign? Perhaps amfa knew the interest was not really there. Funny thing, is amfa spent even more for their lawyers to bone up on the new NMB rules, and the screwed that up as well.

Don't blame me.... you guys brought this up.

NO THANKS amfa