TWU,TEAMSTERS AND AA

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Considering how we all feel about the TWU if they get near 50% of the votes casted then yes they have a chance on remaining our represented union. Do you really think they will get that much support by the stroke of the ballot? AMFA on the Write In will be our best choice for representation. This will probably be our only shot at changing unions for the better. So going with the Teamsters or staying with the TWU is NOT for the better. I am so happy that the NMB gives us a choice other than the union that files and the incumbent. When the time comes you all know who to write in if you want to better our careers and professions. Pilots have their own craft union and so do the Flight Attendants. Now it is our turn of a lifetime to turn the tables on the industrial useless unions that have done nothing for us but take our dues money in exchange for concessions,lies and excuses.

WRITE - IN "AMFA"

Many of you throughout the AA system signed AMFA cards, LQQKing for a change.

The organizers showed all of you just what was said about amfa and the TWU as well as the IBT.

Soon we will know if the IBT had enough cards to bring an election to AA.

Some of you just signed a card to get rid of the TWU, you also signed IBT cards as well.

Before the vote happens, it is time for you to do some research on your own.

The time has come for all of AA's AMT's to LQQK at what has happened in the last 20 yrs plus here at AA. Ask yourself did the TWU fill my pockets with cash, get me more or less during the times they negotiated with AA?

We all want the Intl. Officers gone, they just gave themselves a raise and higher positions within the TWU. WE CAN'T get rid of them.

Now ask yourself about the IBT officers, if we bring them here, with all their members,
money, size, whatever you have heard about them. Do you think we the 30,000 mechanics counting in UAL/CAL/AA/USAir will be able to remove J. Hoffa?
What about the Intl officers of the airline division of the IBT? Won't we be in the same place just under a different Union name? Think about that?

The TWU is going to take 5% off the top for the 4.8% equity admin costs, what are our union dues going towards? Doesn't that cover their cost? Why are the TWU Intl officers not pushing to get our pre-funding match money? It's ours not those of us who have retired yrs ago. They only paid $7.00 what did each of you put in each month I ask all of you? Why are we only getting 40-50% of our 4.8% why didn't we get a choice? All or in the increments they are offering? WHY?

I just want to ask all of the AA mechanics who read this board to think Long and hard
before you vote ANY Union in here at AA. Do it with knowledge, NOT anger. If you decide to keep the TWU make sure you understand the association with the IAM.

AA is NOT going to LQQK out for our best interest down the road when they exit BK.

That my fellow mechanics is up to US.

 

[Anomaly]

BigJets

Not sure where you got your information, but being one of the AMFA OEC organizers here at AA,
there was never a plan to file on May 20th. We did have a plan to file on the 31st of may.
Many here and at stations around the system wanted to file on the AMT Day. Then it was pushed to the 14th of June. Because some of the cards signed early on had started to expire. Since the drive was not started the same day at all stations across the system.

AMFA itself did not screw up, our cards as you were told by whom ever you signed a card with were sent to Dallas, where they were accounted for. Checked against the datbase we the organizers have kept for 10yrs+.

If the mechanics of AA had signed cards in an overwelming number we could of filed sooner. But it took so long to get cards having to battle what the TWU was saying about amfa as well as what was being said by the IBT. You had to be told over and over what happened at NWA, about how much money, what ever else all the AMT's here at AA kept coming to us for answers for since many here don't want to do their own research.
The 17th of May was a date that you might remember that anyone with recall rights would fall off the eligibility list.

There was a certain few stations that we calculated that may have had IBT support, so we never expected the IBT to file when the did. Since their drive started in June 2012.

The IBT's cards went to Washington since that is where their office is. That is also the headquarters of the organizers for the IBT which are paid. We did this on our own time and used some of our own money, to bring a class and craft union to AA. Just what did you do to help, besides just signing a card if that is what you did?

So when they decided to file they (IBT) were there. With us our cards were in the hands of the OEC in Dallas so upon notification of the filing of the IBT, we expected to have our cards in the following day. The paperwork was filed electronicly by the AMFA NEC the same day the NMB notified them of this. The cards were sent from Dallas to washington.

NMB ruled not to allow/accept AMFA cards since AA filed its paperwork same day which then killed the collection of cards for the IBT and gave the Organizers for amfa (us) until 4pm the same day to get our cards to the NMB.

When we filed in 2003 we just did not have enough cards due to the inflation numbers by the TWU/AA.
We missed it by 27 cards. So its our fault the mechanics at AA, since we did not have enough cards.

Don't blame AMFA, this is our doing. The organizers and the members of our class and craft here at AA.

Now its up to YOU and the rest of the AMT's at AA to decide if what you believe about the Union you want is true or not. Whether you want the TWU still or the IBT, or a class and craft union which represents the mechanics of AA. Aircraft/Facilities/Automotive.

That is true, IF AA AMT's wanted AMFA, then why not sign the cards in 90 days or less, file and get rid of the most docile union in the industry? Why wont AMT's take the time to learn about their profession, what is happening in this industry, and organized labor as a whole? Why not learn about the Constitutions and understand the structure instead of acting like ants in an ant hill that has been kicked over, as if they don't know what to do next? Most in Tulsa want to be spoon fed information and then blame someone else if change fails. Sad, but true. WE are our own worst enemy, yet we collectively blame someone or something else each time we get screwed over.

A true amfa believer always blames someone or something else each time they get screwed over. It's the amfa way.

Their official slogan; it is never amfa's fault.....no matter what 🙄 🙄 🙄

A write in vote for amfa is like voting for the little engine that couldn't even try.

Good luck getting a decent contract with that association. Oh that's right, but at least you can control your futures....right? Who needs a decent wage or respectable benefits.

When your done listening to all the nice little speeches on how much the craft association can do for you, remember they desimated NWA and failed mierably at UA. They gave us the same speech.


Just a few comments from other mechanics not wasting time on this board (one was mine, care to guess which 🙄 ).

 

[TWU informer]

A true amfa believer always blames someone or something else each time they get screwed over. It's the amfa way.

Their official slogan; it is never amfa's fault.....no matter what 🙄 🙄 🙄

A write in vote for amfa is like voting for the little engine that couldn't even try.

Good luck getting a decent contract with that association. Oh that's right, but at least you can control your futures....right? Who needs a decent wage or respectable benefits.

When your done listening to all the nice little speeches on how much the craft association can do for you, remember they desimated NWA and failed mierably at UA. They gave us the same speech.


Just a few comments from other mechanics not wasting time on this board (one was mine, care to guess which 🙄 ).

FEAR

 

[1AA]

^^^^^ No, more like desperation and a direct attack on his Agenda. ^^^^^

 

[767 mechanic]

Since some people here like making predictions and are afraid of the AMFA being on the ballot. I will make a prediction of my own. Some of the people do not realize that just because a group files the cards with the NMB does not mean that they will get an election. A group can file with one card and not get an election or a filing can be made with 1 million cards and still not get an election for various reasons like forging cards. My prediction is that the ibt will not get an election at AA. If the ibt had the cards that they say they have. Which is 61% of 11,000 then the NMB would have rubber stamped the election and we would be in the election process now. They feel that there chances are better against the twu,than the AMFA. So looking at this I see the ibt confident that they will get an election at USAIR and win. With the ibt filing at AA this blocks the AMFA from being on the ballot other than a write in vote. The ibt will come out and say we got screwed at AA by the NMB. They will say that the company and the twu inflated the eligibility list and that they still only fell less than 100 cards short (my prediction). When in reality they never had a clue what the eligibility list was. The only reason they filed is they felt the AMFA was close to filing and that they would win an election at AA. This being said when a single carrier status election is held,the ibt would lose and election against the AMFA.

 

[Anomaly]

FEAR

^^^^^ No, more like desperation and a direct attack on his Agenda. ^^^^^

Sure thing fellas. You guys are a JOKE and don't even realize it. The association failed to get enough cards, failed to submit the cards they had on time, failed to correctly deliver the required papaerwork, and failed to sign the paperwork.

They failed to take responsibility for these mistakes and instead blamed everyone and everything else. They failed at every property with less than enthusiastically cooperative management.

Your solution is a write in ballot???

A true definition of insanity.

 

[TWU informer]

Sure thing fellas. You guys are a JOKE and don't even realize it. The association failed to get enough cards, failed to submit the cards they had on time, failed to correctly deliver the required papaerwork, and failed to sign the paperwork.

They failed to take responsibility for these mistakes and instead blamed everyone and everything else. They failed at every property with less than enthusiastically cooperative management.

Your solution is a write in ballot???

A true definition of insanity.

Give us the ballot then bigboy. Talk is cheap.

I'M YOUR HUCKLEBERRY

 

[Anomaly]

Give us the ballot then bigboy. Talk is cheap.

I'M YOUR HUCKLEBERRY

You will have a ballot. The card YOU signed helped to get the Teamsters on that ballot.

Well done.

 

[TWU informer]

You will have a ballot. The card YOU signed helped to get the Teamsters on that ballot.

Well done.

As long as myself and fellow AMT's get a ballot. I agree, well done. Thanks

 

[JABORD]

yes many guys get it here at ord that the twu is going to be replaced. Hopefully amfa will get the write in vote, but I can tell you some of guys that wanted to go with amfa, seem to be talking a new tune. I have been pushing for amfa for over 20 years. Guys are worried about the write in vote splitting the teamsters and amfa vote leaving the twu in place.

If there is even going to be vote is another question, AMFA needs to get out a lot of info on this write in vote if it is going to work.

You need to stop coming on this Forum and try to make us believe you are our spokesman. "Guys are worried", how many of these that you think you can 'speak for' will disagree with your statement. "Pushing for 20 years" I didn't see it. It takes more than commenting your opinion on a Forum. To repeat my friend from TUL,
" Why not learn about the Constitutions and understand the structure instead of acting like ants in an ant hill that has been kicked over, as if they don't know what to do next? Most in Tulsa,(and ORD,LAX.DFW,etc.!) want to be spoon fed information and then blame someone else if change fails."
Get up to speed. If you think the TWBoo will somehow benefit from an AMFA write in campaign, well you know what is said about fear. Wise up, we may have an opportunity here and too many are distracted by all this nonsense!
WRITE IN=AMFA

 

[Thomas Paine]

You all know there is more on ID, and how did we lose PV days? Oh yeah, the TWU responded to that on their Q&A "no other airline has PV days". Nice, OK technically not referred to as PVDs - they call them "DAT" days - or day at a time.

A PV was a concessionary version of a DAT, and still they took them away.

Under DATs you take days from the current year at current rates of pay, generally speaking wages go up every year so when you use a PV you end up paying a higher rate of pay for the day, you take a day off this year but have to pay it back the next when its at a higher rate of pay.

Another "hidden concession".

 

[paul1]

You need to stop coming on this Forum and try to make us believe you are our spokesman. "Guys are worried", how many of these that you think you can 'speak for' will disagree with your statement. "Pushing for 20 years" I didn't see it. It takes more than commenting your opinion on a Forum. To repeat my friend from TUL,
" Why not learn about the Constitutions and understand the structure instead of acting like ants in an ant hill that has been kicked over, as if they don't know what to do next? Most in Tulsa,(and ORD,LAX.DFW,etc.!) want to be spoon fed information and then blame someone else if change fails."
Get up to speed. If you think the TWBoo will somehow benefit from an AMFA write in campaign, well you know what is said about fear. Wise up, we may have an opportunity here and too many are distracted by all this nonsense!
WRITE IN=AMFA

I'm not a spokesman for anyone

and I will write in amfa for myself

 

[TRAVIS]

Sure thing fellas. You guys are a JOKE and don't even realize it. The association failed to get enough cards, failed to submit the cards they had on time, failed to correctly deliver the required papaerwork, and failed to sign the paperwork.

They failed to take responsibility for these mistakes and instead blamed everyone and everything else. They failed at every property with less than enthusiastically cooperative management.

Your solution is a write in ballot???

A true definition of insanity.

INSANITY???? WHAT PART OF FAILED DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND!!! WELL PUT ANOMALY...

VOTE IBT
GO IBT
OR WRITE-IN AND FAIL

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

INSANITY???? WHAT PART OF FAILED DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND!!! WELL PUT ANOMALY...

VOTE IBT
GO IBT
OR WRITE-IN AND FAIL

Since Anomaly refuses to answer this post from a UAL AMT, maybe you will since you too are an obvious IBT operative. This is very germane to the conversation here as the AMT's at Tulsa need to be very worried about the IBT and outsourcing:


"The IBT and Outsourcing at UAL


During bankruptcy at UAL under AMFA there was language added to the contract to audit the company every year to make sure the company would not exceed the 20% outsourcing agreement. Fast forward to 2008 when the IBT became our union. The IBT lost the 20% outsourcing grievance but supposedly continued the audit process. At least that’s what they said. Fast forward again to the present. Under our new contract there would be an outsourcing committee organized with “appointed” committeemen that would meet with the company to review outsourcing.
I asked my local IBT officers about who was on the committee and have they met with the company. I asked for any updates on their meetings. I also asked about our 20% outsourcing audit that was supposedly in progress. I also asked about our B757′s being outsourced to AAR in Indianapolis and our B737′s to Mexico. The response?
The response by those IBT Airline Division officers were, we were not aware of the outsourcing of those aircraft and no response about who is on the “committee” and when or if they have met with the company. Also, they stated that after five years of IBT representation the 20% outsourcing audits are null and void and the audit company the IBT hired will now have to start over.
So long story short, the IBT has no idea how much work is outsourced and appears not to care. In fact they are ignoring the membership’s request for information on this issue.
Is this a union you want to lead you through bankruptcy and to fight against outsourcing? I would think not. Don’t make the same mistake we at UAL have made. Go Craft Union.
Go AMFA!
GT Davis, Denver Mechanic, Denmm"

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54253-teamster-representation-questions/page__st__84#entry1004035

 

[Rogallo]

INSANITY???? WHAT PART OF FAILED DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND!!! :wub: :wub: WELL PUT ANOMALY... :wub: :wub:

VOTE IBT
GO IBT
OR WRITE-IN AND FAIL

Stooges!