U.S. Pilot Labor Thread 9/28 - 10/05

[AAA73Pilot]

Oh, this is getting interesting. Pray tell, why can't it happen?.......

Not interesting. They already have a joint contract awaiting the seniority list. I guess you missed that, huh? Besides, the timeline isn't available to pull it off even if they wanted to. Your childish flame baiting, is what tells me you're not interested in the answer except to foment an argument against USAPA. Man get a life.

 

[electricjet98]

Are you saying that the USAPA mental-dwarfs weren't active behind the ALPA facade while forming?

Yes. There was no need to. ALPA was self destructing quite well on its own without our help. Thanks ALPA

ROTFLMAO! You finally admitted meeting the requirements for membership in the mental-dwarfs club!

 

[exB717Flyer]

They already have a joint contract awaiting the seniority list.

And we already have a seniority list awaiting a joint contract. Not so different after all!

Your childish flame baiting, is what tells me you're not interested in the answer except to foment an argument against USAPA. Man get a life.

Ad hominem attack. Who's being childish?
And in any case, I and my West brethren will continue fomenting arguments against USAPA as long as USAPA is attacking us.

I just got a letter saying I'm now a USAPA member. I don't understand how, considering we don't have any LAS reps, but such details aren't important to the make-it-up-as-we-go-along USAPA oligarchs. Just like the letter attached to my application read I intend to do everything I legally can to stop your attack on my seniority and my livlihood. As Rambo stated, you drew first blood. The battle will continue until you choose to do the right thing instead of that which benefits only the East.

 

[Phoenix]

And we already have a seniority list awaiting a joint contract. Not so different after all!

Yeah... imagine... the only difference is a vote. DAL/NWA already voted on their joint contract and LCC is yet to do so.


ALPA would probably see it your way. Why should a vote amount to much?

 

[EastUS]

As Rambo stated, you drew first blood.

"As Rambo stated.." 🙄 Be serious, if at all possible.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

ROTFLMAO! You finally admitted meeting the requirements for membership in the mental-dwarfs club!

No, I didn't admit anything. I answered your question without addressing your reliance on childish, immature metaphors. You have the right to think otherwise, however, it just once again reconfirms my opinions of such childish thinking. Hope the laugh made you feel better. You'll live longer being able to do so.

 

[Hawkhunter]

How proud the self appointed leaders must be today. Ironically, today is the day that several West pilots are getting furloughed OUT OF SENIORITY. No problem for USAPA, no grievance filed by "the union". No mention of this fact in any update thus far. Why?


The Hypocrisy is shining so bright Stevie Wonder would have to shade his eyes.

They are not "OUT OF SENIORITY". It has been explained so many times that any would understand.

 

[Tiger 1050]

They are not "OUT OF SENIORITY". It has been explained so many times that any idiot would understand well.

Well please help this (deleted by moderator) reconcile what the Transition Agreement says regarding "new hires." I do not believe the argument that "soon the new hires will be furloughed too" is relevant. What is relevant is the fact USAPA campaigned on seniority! "Seniority Matters" was the mantra if I recall correctly. So just whose seniority actually matters? Frankly I believe the DFR case brought against USAPA is a clear winner. How exactly can USAPA shirk its duty to uphold and enforce the Transition Agreement? If the T/A is followed it may just keep me employed a little longer and may even help me and my family ride it out altogether!

 

[ussnark]

I do not believe the argument that "soon the new hires will be furloughed too" is relevant.

It is apparent the west misunderstood (were misled) the TA when they voted on it. (You did vote on it, did you not?) Are you trying to weasel out of a duly signed and delivered contract? 🙄

The "nic", while partially signed, was never delivered, lacking two important documents for recognition. The TA was fully signed, and delivered. No comparison between the two, even by implication.

A few of us saw this potential and said nothing, figuring your vibrant and intelligent "leadership", apparently without benefit of experience, saw it also.

Your options are to get behind USAPA and a contract with adequate scope (through conditions and restrictions) to stop the management foolishness or continue to experience furloughs, almost entirely on the west side.

Your choice, as the other shoe drops.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Your options are to get behind USAPA and a contract with adequate scope (through conditions and restrictions) to stop the management foolishness or continue to experience furloughs, almost entirely on the west side.

I'd bet my bottom dollar that if it was the East getting slammed with the majority of furloughs USAPA wouldn't be so content to do and say nothing.

Oh, and don't expect the West to "get behind" USAPA until they drop their attack on us. All we are saying is give peace a chance!

 

[Freighterguynow]

Well please help this (deleted by moderator) reconcile what the Transition Agreement says regarding "new hires."

New pilots hired during the Separate Operations will be placed by their date of hire on a third seniority list entitled "New Hire Seniority List," will be junior to all pilots on the pilot seniority lists of America West and US Airways on the effective date of this Letter of Agreement, and will continue to be junior to those pilots on the integrated seniority list of America West and US Airways pilots.

The lists are separate until a joint contract is ratified.

 

[Freighterguynow]

He said that he hated you guys, not that he wanted something he isn't entitled to. He wasn't whining, merely stating his opinion. Although that has played negatively against that individual at least he wasn't hiding on a web board. He looked right at the camera and had the balls to state honestly how he feels. Can you come up with something more relevant?

I think your moral compass is off when you promote and now condone hatred.

Relevant? " can't we .... can't we all just get along?"

 

[cleardirect]

New pilots hired during the Separate Operations will be placed by their date of hire on a third seniority list entitled "New Hire Seniority List," will be junior to all pilots on the pilot seniority lists of America West and US Airways on the effective date of this Letter of Agreement, and will continue to be junior to those pilots on the integrated seniority list of America West and US Airways pilots.

The lists are separate until a joint contract is ratified.

Negative. That is an incorrect reading of the paragraph. There is a comma than an and statement. Meaning that the list is not reordered after the integration. It is actually two thoughts.

If very clearly states a THIRD list. It does not say four lists. There is not a west list, an east list, a west new hire list and an east new hire list. There are only three. A west list an east list and a new hire list. Where those new hires happen to go is irrelevant.

Try and justify how you could have two people in the same new hire class with the same hire date. The senior one goes west the junior one goes east. The furloughs happen but the east new hire is still employed.

Not right, not fair, not legal. USAPA is showing it’s lack of integrity.

 

[Tiger 1050]

New pilots hired during the Separate Operations will be placed by their date of hire on a third seniority list entitled "New Hire Seniority List," will be junior to all pilots on the pilot seniority lists of America West and US Airways on the effective date of this Letter of Agreement, and will continue to be junior to those pilots on the integrated seniority list of America West and US Airways pilots.

The lists are separate until a joint contract is ratified.

I'll admit I stand corrected. However I still have a hard time with USAPA's stance regarding seniority. Seniority matters for who exactly? It strikes me a little convenient to blame the T/A concerning west furloughs, don't you?

 

[tazz]

I think your moral compass is off when you promote and now condone hatred.

Relevant? " can't we .... can't we all just get along?"

Just where did I promote and condone hatred? Simply commenting on another individual's statement. You guys sure do like to spin! Problem is that your audience is not stupid as you seem to assume.

To answer your question....

NO. We cannot get along. I have accepted that. The court system will decide where we go from here and one side or the other will still be unhappy. I have 15 years left to work if I choose to and don't expect things to improve in that short time.

I don't hate anyone but I certainly don't like nor respect what usapa and its supporters have done and are continuing to do. Never will.