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Back in the 70's they said that by the 90's we would run out of oil.

And that pollution would be so bad we would need a gas mask.

And all other kinds of environmentalist nonsense.

Look up Paul Erlich, people believed his BS.

There is still plenty of oil, but we need nuclear plants. Even the former head of Greenpeace has come out now and is a very strong champion of nuclear power.


Its safe, its clean, its abundant.

As for future fuels, believe it or not, algae is a strong possibilities.

But, for now, we need oil. lots of it. Drill, drill and drill.
 
Wind, solar, hydro, geothermal and the technology to use coal cleanly. Build, build, build and hope the oil lasts long enough for the transition.

(And yes, I do know that wind, solar, hydro and geothermal are not appropriate everywhere, but one or more of them are appropriate in a lot of places where they currently are not.)
 
I have a point to ponder...

At one time there were dinosaurs. Did they become extinct because they destroyed the environment?

It is going to take at least 30 years go come off of our dependancy on oil and migrate to alternate technology... We better all hope that we can secure OUR supply of oil for the next 30 years...

If I had to choose between the environment or securing energy for our future, ummm... I think energy is the right choice.

Global warming isn't so bad anyway. I know I'll love the warmer temperatures...

Didn't the dinosaurs become extinct due to global warming caused by man? I'm just agreeing with your point SC.

Moving on:
Let me be clear, YES GLOBAL WARMING DOES EXIST! I don't believe in the concept that it is man-made or that man can even stop it from happening. If you believe man causes it, and you work in the airline industry, you are a hypocrite. I don't care what scientists say, planes burn fuel closer to the atmosphere than cars and are major contributers! If man is the cause of GW then it goes without saying that it is Science and Technology that got us there in the first place. After inventing a new toy, they suddenly want us to play with it less!!! Now science wants to shift the blame for a natural phenomenom on the public who trusted them?

But man isn't the cause. Perhaps the cooling of the earth's temperature of the 1800s is now regulating a balance with a natural heating. Do your own research as to climate changes and phenomena by looking at what happened when Mt. Tambora(or something to that effect) in the 1830s and Krakatoa in the 1880s erupted in Indonesia. I'm sure the Tsunami '04 is still having an affect on our climate.

I noticed the global warming phenomenom as a kid as I looked at various animal range maps in school. It wasn't called that nor was it even known. The basic concept was comparing past guides to lizard ranges. In the '60s the closest lizard to my area was mid-PA. Same guide in the '80s put the same lizard in Southern and parts of Westen NY and along some of the Hudson Valley. Blah blah blah...the basis was that the climate was changing because the lizard had adapted to a colder climate.

Global warming means that man must evolve to adapt to the environmental changes. Nature is!

To those who say use wind, solar, and greener-costly(yeah lets argue that one) environmentally friendly alternatives, I say they are no better at saving the environment! The new flourescent bulbs cost more and contain mercury, so if you have butter fingers you'll need a haz-mat crew if the bulb breaks! And what about disposal of the bulb? It isn't recycleable and technically can't go in the trash.

Solar power is great unless your cloudy days outnumber your sunny days. Wind power is full of hot air! Environmentally friendly solutions are more expensive in the long run, less efficient, and aren't worth the switch.

We could drive a battery-operated car, once called a golf cart! The Airplane of tomorrow is the Hindenburgh of today!

And some thought the RJs were the ac of the future!
 
America is one of the cleanest places on the globe, why? Economic freedom.
Uh, it was the tree huggers that got the government to clean up after itself and the industry, forcing the enabling of the EPA and other alphabet spinoffs. It is industry regulation that gives you cleanliness. and the fact that building dirty things overseas just puts the pollution there instead of in the US.

Not enough refineries? Didn't someone else post that a "shortage because there are not enough refineries" is not the problem. Do you see lines or rationing? Then, and only then could one rationally accept an option that there might be a choke point in the refining capability.
 
But man isn't the cause.
It is not intuitive, but, during the five days or so after 9-11, when no airliners flew, those people that do those things actually recorded a one half degree change in average daily highs across the US.

It is thought that contrails and clouds formed from the extra condensation nuclei and added water vapor from the jet exhaust provide enough cover to affect the climate over the US by about one half a degree. No joke.

Not definitive but the bibliography has more resources:

Contrails

---------Just for those who think man does not have any effect on climate.
 
It is not intuitive, but, during the five days or so after 9-11, when no airliners flew, those people that do those things actually recorded a one half degree change in average daily highs across the US.

It is thought that contrails and clouds formed from the extra condensation nuclei and added water vapor from the jet exhaust provide enough cover to affect the climate over the US by about one half a degree. No joke.

Not definitive but the bibliography has more resources:

Contrails

---------Just for those who think man does not have any effect on climate.

Don't know if the Rush comment was about me, but I hate Limbaugh and think he is a blow-hard. I love Rush the Canadians, though! If he or I agree it is purely coincidental. My studies come from experiences with just a little added book-smarts and logic.

Anybody can prove their point and prove they are right thanks to this immense Information Highway called the Internet, which was invented by Al Gore :lol: :lol: :lol: !

By your logic, ussnark, one has to wonder about the Twin Towers. If man does have some control on climate then how much carbons, gasses, toxins, etc. were released into the atmosphere. Jet fuel is a highly toxic carcinogen. So with all these gasses, why did the temperature change? Flying didn't stop around the world, did it? All these factors would prove man contributes to gw. Lets shoot the moose because their flatulance is causing gw. Forget the health, cigarettes cause gw.

It's all a lie. Warming is a natural phenomenom and the earth is regulating itself. When Mt St Helens erupted, the smoke cloud went around the world at least a couple of times. Don't you think that would effect the weather?

Again you are free to your beliefs. If you want to save the planet do it your way. But don't try to sell dribble like it's my fault we're where we're at. I didn't start the fire, and talk of doomsday has been going on for centuries. Doomsday arrives when you die...end of story 😱
 
Uh, it was the tree huggers that got the government to clean up after itself and the industry, forcing the enabling of the EPA and other alphabet spinoffs. It is industry regulation that gives you cleanliness. and the fact that building dirty things overseas just puts the pollution there instead of in the US.

Not enough refineries? Didn't someone else post that a "shortage because there are not enough refineries" is not the problem. Do you see lines or rationing? Then, and only then could one rationally accept an option that there might be a choke point in the refining capability.

The 'tree huggers' along with Peta are the original all american terrorists. The true threat to our environment are the 'greener-wieners' that release non-native species in our environment. We now have python colonies in Florida, alligators in New York, just to mention a few. Geese are becoming lazy and overbreeding thanks to those who feed them and give them no reason to fly south. If anybody is to blame for the spread of diseases and loss of jobs it's the animal lovers and lax laws governing the release of non-native species.

You don't see lines at the pump yet because we are tapping our reserves. If we wait until we see lines and rationing, it is too late. Continue to believe that there is no problem unless it hits you in the face. A rude awakening may be needed by all!
 
When Mt St Helens erupted, the smoke cloud went around the world at least a couple of times. Don't you think that would effect the weather?
It did. Its effects were felt around the world.

So did the larger eruption at Mr. Pinatubo:

The effects of the eruption were felt worldwide. It ejected roughly 10 billion metric tons of magma, and 20 million tons of SO2, bringing vast quantities of minerals and metals to the surface environment. It injected large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere—more than any eruption since that of Krakatoa in 1883. Over the following months, the aerosols formed a global layer of sulfuric acid haze. Global temperatures dropped by about 0.5 °C (0.9 °F), and ozone depletion temporarily increased substantially.

While Google is your friend, I find the local library is much better. Stick with real science and not opinion pieces. Science is not about consensus.

BTW, realize weather effects, generally speaking, cross the US from west to east taking some five days. Something happening on the east coast will not have immediate effects on the west coast and if it does, it will likely not be noticeable by folks like you or I.
 
It did. Its effects were felt around the world.

So did the larger eruption at Mr. Pinatubo:



While Google is your friend, I find the local library is much better. Stick with real science and not opinion pieces. Science is not about consensus.

BTW, realize weather effects, generally speaking, cross the US from west to east taking some five days. Something happening on the east coast will not have immediate effects on the west coast and if it does, it will likely not be noticeable by folks like you or I.

I was raised on the library long before there was even an internet. Google is just great for references and as a resource for research. My own book collection on science and nature can rival any library on topics that interest me. Science is theories and hypothesis. I still stick to my theory that man has nothing to do with weather as far as controlling it!
 
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