GT, I commend you on your refraining from just "taking the money and run". Hopefully there are more thinking the same as we all know the company wants the older guys to take this early out and run. My personal opinion on this early out being offered is I don't think any early out program should be offered to any group within verbiage of contract by a vote. For one, you have guys not even close to retirement voting on something that doesn't even pertain to them (retirement wise). Second, it does pertain to them in the means of a boost in seniority when the early outs are taken and premium positions are opened up. This is how the company gets the much younger guys a nudge in the direction of a YES vote. The other thing I don't like is the 100K limit. Why have a cap? Just leave at 5K per year to all as that would get a larger number of takers. Final point on early out. It should be completely outside of a voted for contract. Throw the contract offer out and offer the early out to whoever wants it but keep it out of a contract vote. The company knows our industry is full of IGM mechanics and are hoping they take the money and run and don't care how it will screw the remaining guys there and all of the unborn yet to be there. Are you guys hearing any rumblings about how the vote might go or is it too early to tell? Good luck GT, still hoping you get your well deserved early out...
So that would be my point. When your representation has been provided a 'gig', a deal presented by the company to the Union over the years that is lucrative to the Union, that is a major problem. As GT has alluded to, this "conflict" means your Union now has a vested interest to see a "yes" vote. The "other things" you mention are important and will be that much easier to have forced on you when your representation is not sincere to your needs.TopCat870 said:
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wlWe are still waiting for the final contract in writing for review. As of now just shop visits from stewards with larger meetings/roadshow planned. Ewr looks like a strong no vote, but i never worry about ewr. Traditionally we are the only station that always votes no. For sub cal its iah and mco that alway capitulate and vote the first offer in. I hope they arent blinded by the money and see through this p.o.s. We need a strong no vote to wake the company up.swamt said:
Ok. So I get this from you yesterday. And I read this today. Take note of the 2nd sub para where he indicates that you guys just ratified your lucrative contract. Is this guy that much disconnected? Or did the teamsters do a back door deal without a vote? I would believe either way. Was this contract just forced upon you guys? Or is it, this Dan Reed doesn't know what he is talking about or have the correct info? I actually am taking this with a grain of salt, as if this were true there would have been an outrage on here by now. If the teamsters did do this behind closed doors I feel sorry for you guys, but would be very typical of how the teamsters operate. I am hoping this is a mistake by Dan Reed. Here's the full article with the sub para below...767tech777 said:
With Their Unprecedented Profits Airlines Are Setting Themeselves Up For A Big Fight With Labor
- United’s mechanics yesterday ratified a lucrative new contract that includes big pay hikes, an $11,500 per-person signing bonus and the restoration of a number of benefits given up in previous contrcts negotiated in tougher times. That brings to an end three years of acrimonious bargaining that saw union leaders, who were unaware of the issues related to the Newark scandal, publicly urge Smisek’s ouster. Munoz had promised a quick resolution to the matter in an effort to improve the company’s long-frayed labor relations.
It very well may be. He should have indicated so. And he didn't even bring up anything about this new (current) offer being considered by the union members. And it's dated Nov. 6th 2015 @ 7:05 am. Kinda bad timing to be putting that old of info out considering the current status of the mechanics and related at UAL. But, as you state, it does resemble the last contract they voted on...
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December 29, 2011 7:02 PMswamt said:
http://news.yahoo.com/united-airlines-mechanics-ratify-labor-contract-221848629.html;_ylt=A0LEViuv6zxWlpMANHMnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTBybGY3bmpvBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--
Some putz from that site ran with it without looking at the date.
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Below is the last ibt update:
MECHANICS DISPATCH
Negotiations Update
November 6, 2015
The Committee met in Houston on Thursday to review United’s Last, best, final offer to the membership. The committee was presented with an incomplete, inaccurate document that did not reflect some items previously agreed to in principal by the parties over the past 3 years. Because of the lack of attention to detail on United’s part in providing this committee with the information described above, we spent the evening identifying and cataloguing items that were inaccurate, not agreed upon, or simply missing. It was decided that we would forward this list of findings to the company along with a request that UA provide a complete, accurate document for our review. We hope to have that detailed information from the company in the next few weeks. The committee is committed to providing you with accurate, factual documents and information in order for you to make an informed decision and cast your ballot
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Because of inferred changes to parts of the CBA as presented by UA, namely recall rights, all members on layoff or EIS will be able to cast ballots in the coming vote. The vote will be scheduled as quickly as information is received from the company and disseminated to the membership. Ballots can typically be built in approximately 30 days from the time we have received a complete document describing what, exactly, will be voted on. As part of that ballot, a strike authorization vote will be taken. Authorizing a strike does not mean we will go on strike but sends a very strong message to the company that we will not allow them to dictate the terms of our contract and will strike, if necessary, to achieve a fair and equitable agreement.
On another front, United's management has been doing station visits and addressing the membership about their “Final Offer”. These briefings are rife with HALF-TRUTHS and MIS-INFORMATION designed to convince you that they have your best interests at heart. Don’t buy the sales pitch! When we have an actual document from the company describing what they intend to do, we will be able to provide accurate, up-to-date information. At this point, United will tell you only what you want to hear, NOT facts surrounding their actual proposed contract. Expect to hear only the highlights that would be interpreted as good for you. They won’t tell you the whole truth! Be well informed. There’s a reason we don’t yet have a complete, detailed proposal from this carrier.
From the Seniority Integration Committee: The seniority list is complete. The last three days have been spent finalizing the programming, making slight modifications, and then re-testing. The sort this morning appears to have all the changes we have created, and on preliminary inspection the order looks correct.
Our small team is going to review the entire document, then share it with the full seniority committee. Once the finalized list has been reviewed for accuracy, we will open the list to the negotiations committee for distribution to the membership. We anticipate having this task completed by late next week with no major discrepancies.
MECHANICS DISPATCH
Negotiations Update
November 6, 2015
The Committee met in Houston on Thursday to review United’s Last, best, final offer to the membership. The committee was presented with an incomplete, inaccurate document that did not reflect some items previously agreed to in principal by the parties over the past 3 years. Because of the lack of attention to detail on United’s part in providing this committee with the information described above, we spent the evening identifying and cataloguing items that were inaccurate, not agreed upon, or simply missing. It was decided that we would forward this list of findings to the company along with a request that UA provide a complete, accurate document for our review. We hope to have that detailed information from the company in the next few weeks. The committee is committed to providing you with accurate, factual documents and information in order for you to make an informed decision and cast your ballot
.
Because of inferred changes to parts of the CBA as presented by UA, namely recall rights, all members on layoff or EIS will be able to cast ballots in the coming vote. The vote will be scheduled as quickly as information is received from the company and disseminated to the membership. Ballots can typically be built in approximately 30 days from the time we have received a complete document describing what, exactly, will be voted on. As part of that ballot, a strike authorization vote will be taken. Authorizing a strike does not mean we will go on strike but sends a very strong message to the company that we will not allow them to dictate the terms of our contract and will strike, if necessary, to achieve a fair and equitable agreement.
On another front, United's management has been doing station visits and addressing the membership about their “Final Offer”. These briefings are rife with HALF-TRUTHS and MIS-INFORMATION designed to convince you that they have your best interests at heart. Don’t buy the sales pitch! When we have an actual document from the company describing what they intend to do, we will be able to provide accurate, up-to-date information. At this point, United will tell you only what you want to hear, NOT facts surrounding their actual proposed contract. Expect to hear only the highlights that would be interpreted as good for you. They won’t tell you the whole truth! Be well informed. There’s a reason we don’t yet have a complete, detailed proposal from this carrier.
From the Seniority Integration Committee: The seniority list is complete. The last three days have been spent finalizing the programming, making slight modifications, and then re-testing. The sort this morning appears to have all the changes we have created, and on preliminary inspection the order looks correct.
Our small team is going to review the entire document, then share it with the full seniority committee. Once the finalized list has been reviewed for accuracy, we will open the list to the negotiations committee for distribution to the membership. We anticipate having this task completed by late next week with no major discrepancies.
Traditionally competition should provide favorable results, as in the announcement by UAL to open IAM contracts early.
http://newsroom.united.com/2015-11-06-United-and-IAM-Agree-to-Open-Contract-Negotiations-Early-Further-Expand-Job-Protection-for-Employees
But the odds that it will provide a win-win for all labor involved is suspect. From the recent 'Mechanic Dispatch' the indication of shenanigans by the company utilizing a playbook that seems to emulate what we are seeing at AA, "happy smoke roadshows", should be cause for concern that this sub-par offer being expressed by the IBT, if passed by the membership will provide a "win" more weighted toward the IAM group.
http://newsroom.united.com/2015-11-06-United-and-IAM-Agree-to-Open-Contract-Negotiations-Early-Further-Expand-Job-Protection-for-Employees
But the odds that it will provide a win-win for all labor involved is suspect. From the recent 'Mechanic Dispatch' the indication of shenanigans by the company utilizing a playbook that seems to emulate what we are seeing at AA, "happy smoke roadshows", should be cause for concern that this sub-par offer being expressed by the IBT, if passed by the membership will provide a "win" more weighted toward the IAM group.
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For those interested here is the company's proposal and what the contract would look like if ratified.
http://02cc047.netsolhost.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Company-Proposal-.pdf
http://02cc047.netsolhost.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Company-Proposal-.pdf
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Lol so, when the company is making record profits, you get no new work. 767 also gone but the company goes ahead and takes 787 and A350 work away too. Sad.gtd said:
that TA is a real POS. big industry set back if you guys yes vote that turd. Pretty much promises AA will also farm out the majority of its maintenance
