Us Airways Bag Handler To Make Counterof
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jB,
This is good news, I only wish talks would have started sooner, as I believe a richer deal could have been reached (as in ALPA's case too).
I absolutely care about everyone of our active and furloughed employees, and wish everyone HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
Good luck to us on these negotiations!
This is good news, I only wish talks would have started sooner, as I believe a richer deal could have been reached (as in ALPA's case too).
I absolutely care about everyone of our active and furloughed employees, and wish everyone HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
Good luck to us on these negotiations!
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Can anyone from IAM 141 tell the members if STL MEM BTV AVP DAY
ARE GOING TO GO MAINLINE EXPRESS like they where suppose to be
with the 2002 restructuring agreement.
ARE GOING TO GO MAINLINE EXPRESS like they where suppose to be
with the 2002 restructuring agreement.
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28yrsnojob said:
i think that stl btv and possibly mem are mainline express i am not sure. i know avp is a mainline express but the ramp itself is outsource. it should be brought back. i hope this is good enough
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US Airways machinists prepare offer - expected to present written plan this week
The Charlotte Observer commented: Since the company submitted a written proposal Oct. 25 to its fleet-service workers, the union has made only one oral counterproposal, testified IAM leader Thomas Brickner. "Each time the company comes back for more concessions, it becomes more difficult to get a ratification," he testified in court.
USA320Pilot comments: According to the Observer, lawyers representing US Airways argued in bankruptcy court Tuesday that the IAM has been too silent, accusing it of dragging its heels in cost-cutting negotiations. No kidding, and now with the end of the S.1113© hearing two days away, the IAM-FSA wants to submit a proposal. I too wish the IAM had negotiated sooner because the cuts would likely have been less. Moreover, you would have thought the other unions would have learned from the ALPA RC4 failure, where the RC4 went against the advice of every key ALPA official and advisor and obtained a TA greater than the company’s “askâ€.
I do not want to see anybody lose pay and benefits, but the “hardline†approach has miserably failed and the rank-and-file will suffer more because of poor union leadership. It now appears that ALPA, the AFA, and possibly the IAM-FSA will all obtain new labor accords greater than the company’s “askâ€, which I find unacceptable.
Nonetheless, there is nothing that can be done about the past and the best thing each union can do is to limit the damage as much as possible.
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The Charlotte Observer commented: Since the company submitted a written proposal Oct. 25 to its fleet-service workers, the union has made only one oral counterproposal, testified IAM leader Thomas Brickner. "Each time the company comes back for more concessions, it becomes more difficult to get a ratification," he testified in court.
USA320Pilot comments: According to the Observer, lawyers representing US Airways argued in bankruptcy court Tuesday that the IAM has been too silent, accusing it of dragging its heels in cost-cutting negotiations. No kidding, and now with the end of the S.1113© hearing two days away, the IAM-FSA wants to submit a proposal. I too wish the IAM had negotiated sooner because the cuts would likely have been less. Moreover, you would have thought the other unions would have learned from the ALPA RC4 failure, where the RC4 went against the advice of every key ALPA official and advisor and obtained a TA greater than the company’s “askâ€.
I do not want to see anybody lose pay and benefits, but the “hardline†approach has miserably failed and the rank-and-file will suffer more because of poor union leadership. It now appears that ALPA, the AFA, and possibly the IAM-FSA will all obtain new labor accords greater than the company’s “askâ€, which I find unacceptable.
Nonetheless, there is nothing that can be done about the past and the best thing each union can do is to limit the damage as much as possible.
See Story
Regards,
USA320Pilot
The AFA asks was $116 Million, they made $94 Million who is that more then the ask?
And IAM-FSA will NOT go over ask.
Once again the non-iam member is telling the boards what is going to happen.
When his he gonna learn?
And IAM-FSA will NOT go over ask.
Once again the non-iam member is telling the boards what is going to happen.
When his he gonna learn?
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Dio:
I agree that CWA & IAM-FSA negotiations are linked together. The important thing now is to limit the damage and get the best deal possible for the FSA's.
As I said a few weeks ago, the CWA was close to a deal, I believe the AFA would then follow suit, and there would probably be a deal with the IAM-FSA and IAM Trainers. There continues to be reason to believe that will occur; as well as "imposition" for the IAM-M, unless the union starts negotiating without AMFA fear.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
I agree that CWA & IAM-FSA negotiations are linked together. The important thing now is to limit the damage and get the best deal possible for the FSA's.
As I said a few weeks ago, the CWA was close to a deal, I believe the AFA would then follow suit, and there would probably be a deal with the IAM-FSA and IAM Trainers. There continues to be reason to believe that will occur; as well as "imposition" for the IAM-M, unless the union starts negotiating without AMFA fear.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Are you in CCY?
Are you part of the IAM?
Are you part of the IAM or Company Negotiating team?
The answers to all are a resounding NO!
You have no idea of what will happen or what has happened.
And your comment about AMFA has nothing to do with US Airways Negotiations.
From the Pittsburgh Tribune:
Are you part of the IAM?
Are you part of the IAM or Company Negotiating team?
The answers to all are a resounding NO!
You have no idea of what will happen or what has happened.
And your comment about AMFA has nothing to do with US Airways Negotiations.
From the Pittsburgh Tribune:
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700UW said: "The AFA asks was $116 Million, they made $94 Million who is that more then the ask? And IAM-FSA will NOT go over ask.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported: US Airways and the flight attendants union have reached an agreement on $94 million in annual costs cuts over the next five years. The $94 million agreement includes pay and benefit cuts but does not address the company's requests to eliminate the flight attendants' pension plan and cut retiree health care coverage. Those requests, worth another $63 million a year, will be dealt with by U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Stephen Mitchell, who is overseeing US Airways' case.
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The Charlotte Observer reproted: The federal agency that regulates the nation's pension-insurance system said in a court filing that it does not object to the airline's terminating its pension plans. After reviewing the company's finances, experts with the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. concluded that "it is clear that US Airways' financial condition is dire" and that the airline may meet the requirements for turning over its plans to the agency.
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USA320Pilot comments: US Airways originally asked the AFA for a concession of $116 million, but then management increased the F/A "ask" after labor resistance and the CWA and AFA "self help" press release to $157 million, which equals the $94 million concession plus $63 million for elimination of retiree health care and DB pension plans. The press releases have caused more passengers to book away from the airline causing a further reduction in revenue, thus costs must be cut further to balance the equation, per the key creditors.
Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal confirmed what I have been saying that the creditor's are demanding additional cost cuts. The Journal noted US Airways says the latest GE deal, which includes lots of deadlines and financial hurdles, is a "catalyst" toward completing its restructuring. But it also requires the airline to come up with another $100 million in liquidity by January. "It shows momentum and it's a vote of confidence from our largest creditor," spokesman Chris Chiames said.
Thus, without the additional cuts the terms of the GE deal would be violated and US Airways may not receive the $140 million in bridge financing deferral of aircraft debt and lease payments due over six months, which could cause the carrier to default on ATSB loan guarantee covenants.
There is reason to believe that after the AFA NC learned the PBGC would not object to DB Plan termination and the plan would be taken over by the government, the negotiators came up with the idea of agreeing to the company's cost cuts and permitting the court to "impose" retiree health care and retirement cuts. Why? Politics and the inability to make the hard choices. This is similar to what ALPA's RC4 did, by providing the pilot group with a TA greater than the comapny's original "ask".
Regardless, with "imposition" and the consensual part of the deal, the AFA will reach their cost cut target of $157 million per year for 5 years.
In regard to the IAM-FSA and IAM-Trainers, they too will likely provide concessions greater than the original ask. There are reports the IAM-FSA is making progress with the company, but it is widely expected the IAM-M will have "imposition" that could close one maintenance facility, eliminate all Utility positions, and have far greater "pain" with a concession more than the "ask", which was necessary. It's too bad this is happening, but here we are two days before the end of the S.1113© hearing with no apparent IAM-M counterproposal.
It's unfortunate, but it appears the IAM and its leaders are going to hurt their members more than any other US Airways union because they did not have the courage to make the difficult decisions. With each new labor accord, it makes it easier and easier for Judge Mitchell to abrogate a union contract to ensure the business enterprise survives.
Best regards,
USA320Pilot
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported: US Airways and the flight attendants union have reached an agreement on $94 million in annual costs cuts over the next five years. The $94 million agreement includes pay and benefit cuts but does not address the company's requests to eliminate the flight attendants' pension plan and cut retiree health care coverage. Those requests, worth another $63 million a year, will be dealt with by U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Stephen Mitchell, who is overseeing US Airways' case.
See Story
The Charlotte Observer reproted: The federal agency that regulates the nation's pension-insurance system said in a court filing that it does not object to the airline's terminating its pension plans. After reviewing the company's finances, experts with the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. concluded that "it is clear that US Airways' financial condition is dire" and that the airline may meet the requirements for turning over its plans to the agency.
See Story
USA320Pilot comments: US Airways originally asked the AFA for a concession of $116 million, but then management increased the F/A "ask" after labor resistance and the CWA and AFA "self help" press release to $157 million, which equals the $94 million concession plus $63 million for elimination of retiree health care and DB pension plans. The press releases have caused more passengers to book away from the airline causing a further reduction in revenue, thus costs must be cut further to balance the equation, per the key creditors.
Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal confirmed what I have been saying that the creditor's are demanding additional cost cuts. The Journal noted US Airways says the latest GE deal, which includes lots of deadlines and financial hurdles, is a "catalyst" toward completing its restructuring. But it also requires the airline to come up with another $100 million in liquidity by January. "It shows momentum and it's a vote of confidence from our largest creditor," spokesman Chris Chiames said.
Thus, without the additional cuts the terms of the GE deal would be violated and US Airways may not receive the $140 million in bridge financing deferral of aircraft debt and lease payments due over six months, which could cause the carrier to default on ATSB loan guarantee covenants.
There is reason to believe that after the AFA NC learned the PBGC would not object to DB Plan termination and the plan would be taken over by the government, the negotiators came up with the idea of agreeing to the company's cost cuts and permitting the court to "impose" retiree health care and retirement cuts. Why? Politics and the inability to make the hard choices. This is similar to what ALPA's RC4 did, by providing the pilot group with a TA greater than the comapny's original "ask".
Regardless, with "imposition" and the consensual part of the deal, the AFA will reach their cost cut target of $157 million per year for 5 years.
In regard to the IAM-FSA and IAM-Trainers, they too will likely provide concessions greater than the original ask. There are reports the IAM-FSA is making progress with the company, but it is widely expected the IAM-M will have "imposition" that could close one maintenance facility, eliminate all Utility positions, and have far greater "pain" with a concession more than the "ask", which was necessary. It's too bad this is happening, but here we are two days before the end of the S.1113© hearing with no apparent IAM-M counterproposal.
It's unfortunate, but it appears the IAM and its leaders are going to hurt their members more than any other US Airways union because they did not have the courage to make the difficult decisions. With each new labor accord, it makes it easier and easier for Judge Mitchell to abrogate a union contract to ensure the business enterprise survives.
Best regards,
USA320Pilot
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700UW said: "The Trainers and FSA will NOT go over the ask, will you care to make a wager on this? And please show me how you will get 3,000 people to vote themselves out of their jobs."
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette commented: The baggage handlers and machinists, who are being asked to give up about $100 million and $254 million, respectively. The company is asking to outsource much of their work, which would produce thousands of job losses. The baggage handlers union, hoping to avoid that fate, expects to give the company a written counterproposal this week that de-emphasizes the outsourcing in favor of other cuts.
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USA320Pilot comments: US Airways does not care if the IAM-FSA, or for that matter, the IAM-M cuts come from outsourcing or other areas. Reportedly, the union is trying to obtain a TA with cuts in other areas that reach the company's increased "ask" that preserves jobs, likely with deeper cuts in pay, benefits, health care, and retirement.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette commented: An (IAM) union official expressed hope yesterday that a consensual cost-cutting deal could be reached without sacrificing so many (not all) positions. Asked if the company had expressed a willingness to back off its outsourcing request, Thomas Brickner (an IAM grand lodge representative and an adviser to IAM District 141) smiled and said, "Not officially." But the union's offer, he added, "will be a proposal that meets the company's real needs."
USA320Pilot comments: As I have repeatedly said, the CWA would be next after ALPA to reach a deal, the AFA would be next, and there was reason to believe the IAM-FSA and Maintenance Trainers were making progress. However, I remained concerned about the IAM-M because of their union leaderships desire to have "imposition", which could be very painful, instead of a consensual deal.
Moreover, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette also confirmed my report of the pending closure of either the Pittsburgh or Charlotte (or both through "imposition") maintenance centers.
See Story
USA320Pilot comments: It's unfortunate, but either through a consensual or imposed agreements union employees without new business plan labor accords will see new agreements with concessions greater than the company's initial "ask" because the financial community and the creditor's are demanding it.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette commented: The baggage handlers and machinists, who are being asked to give up about $100 million and $254 million, respectively. The company is asking to outsource much of their work, which would produce thousands of job losses. The baggage handlers union, hoping to avoid that fate, expects to give the company a written counterproposal this week that de-emphasizes the outsourcing in favor of other cuts.
See Story
USA320Pilot comments: US Airways does not care if the IAM-FSA, or for that matter, the IAM-M cuts come from outsourcing or other areas. Reportedly, the union is trying to obtain a TA with cuts in other areas that reach the company's increased "ask" that preserves jobs, likely with deeper cuts in pay, benefits, health care, and retirement.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette commented: An (IAM) union official expressed hope yesterday that a consensual cost-cutting deal could be reached without sacrificing so many (not all) positions. Asked if the company had expressed a willingness to back off its outsourcing request, Thomas Brickner (an IAM grand lodge representative and an adviser to IAM District 141) smiled and said, "Not officially." But the union's offer, he added, "will be a proposal that meets the company's real needs."
USA320Pilot comments: As I have repeatedly said, the CWA would be next after ALPA to reach a deal, the AFA would be next, and there was reason to believe the IAM-FSA and Maintenance Trainers were making progress. However, I remained concerned about the IAM-M because of their union leaderships desire to have "imposition", which could be very painful, instead of a consensual deal.
Moreover, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette also confirmed my report of the pending closure of either the Pittsburgh or Charlotte (or both through "imposition") maintenance centers.
See Story
USA320Pilot comments: It's unfortunate, but either through a consensual or imposed agreements union employees without new business plan labor accords will see new agreements with concessions greater than the company's initial "ask" because the financial community and the creditor's are demanding it.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
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For f**k's sake 700UW, why in the world to you continue to banter back and forth with this clown? Everyone on the site (U employee or not) knows he's a CCY lapdog. Just put him on ignore.
700,
Can you explain why the IAM is just now making it's first written offer to the company? Believing the "Concession Stand is Closed" and sticking one's head in the sand does not truly protect the interests of the membership.
Can you explain why the IAM is just now making it's first written offer to the company? Believing the "Concession Stand is Closed" and sticking one's head in the sand does not truly protect the interests of the membership.
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700 you have been wrong since day one, including the original bk. The bottom line, no matter how you cut it bud, the company has, is, and will get the cost cuts to survive. No one likes it, but its reality. Bark if you want, the cuts are a coming. May not be in the shape, way, or form originaly planned, but the last day full payers, are getting a reality check!
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