Us Airways In Trouble Again

[PITbull]

The last 2 concession were not sent out with a unanimous vote "FOR".


I promise you, if the f/as elect for their leaders to go to the table, (through a ballot) the NEXT vote from the MEC WILL NOT BE UNANIMOUS EITHER! Keep in mind that the last vote for concession #2 only passed by a margin of 9%.

 

[skyflyr69]

FM,

You being unemployed HAS NOTHING to do with unions, pal.

Do a reality check, it is managments in companies who make decisions to close down, or sell assets, or liquidate or go into BK.

I don't know about your household, but in mine, we already have a hard time making mortgage payments and car payments, and putting food on the table, and paying for health care AND WE HAVE JOBS!

Next time your short-sighted mind tells you that it is the laborer who shuts down a company, you need to find out who makes the laws THAT CONDONE sending American jobs out of this country. Who makes the rules that outsourcing is OK. Who makes the laws that BK is OK and even fostered.

Labor has done more than any other interested party to save this particular company. THE REST IS UP TO MANAGEMENT ON WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE SACRIFICES ALREADY GIVEN. If THEY choose to take their money off the table and run, so be it.

pitbull,
i might agree with you about who makes the "laws" Certainly as union members you should all be voting Democratic instead of republican. But no matter what, this is EVOLVING into a GLOBAL economy. Unfortunately, the political winds will not change in this regard.
Employees (unions) must change/evolve also or they will be on welfare.
In another post of yours, 30,000 dollar jobs are mostly a figmanent of your imagination as 90% of you WON'T find that in todays marketplace.
good luck to you in this fight against the LCC'S!

 

[hammerhead]

absolutely

 

[hammerhead]

you mean we can't use a governent loan to pay the employess more than the company makes. I don't understand!!!

lol

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Sorry to have to say this but all of you nay sayers; what you are experencing is life it ain't pretty sometimes but thats it... I am sorry you all have to go through this but USAirways has had this problem since I came to work in 1967 ( now retired thank God) all I can say is grit your teeth and hang on its still going to be a bumpy ride try to keep a lid on the anger and your eyes wide open and I will pray for you all God Bless

DING-DING-DING --- this is the correct answer.

You people will waste energy blaming and speculating on ridiculous theories (merger anyone?) to the bitter end. Which is near BTW.

If'n anyone, labor or management had stopped for a moment anytime during the past twenty years and confronted the reality that your revenue was not exceeding your expenses then perhaps today you'd be the WN of the North.

But nobody did. And here you are. Good Luck!

 

[PITbull]

I'm sorry, But USAirways did have very profitable years. Where have you been? In the early 80's when I got started, U made profits all the way until the Piedmont/PSA mergers. In fact, U had "wind fall earnings" and every employee got a xmas bonus (my first 7 years straight). In 1989, we begain a slump, along with the rest of the industry.

Between years of 1995 and and 2000 U made billions in profits. The stock in 1998 hit an all time high of $84 a share.

Today's economy, was not the economy of the past, and will not stay as the economy in the future.

 

[delldude]

Next time your short-sighted mind tells you that it is the laborer who shuts down a company, you need to find out who makes the laws THAT CONDONE  sending American jobs out of this country. Who makes the rules that outsourcing is OK. Who makes the laws that BK is OK and even fostered.

I guess full pay until the last day is all imagination.

Do you get some "Cheap Thrill" seeing people that actually work for a living get screwed over ?? Anything to make a profit off someone elses back, right ??

You could not be more wrong.

I'm more amused by the weak lamb argument propogated by PitBull. Labor at this company fully knows what it can and cannot do. A vocal minority clearly seems willing to assist in the deep sixing of US Airways and to collect unemployment.

TIRADE, i think you need a trip around the mechanic and related areas for an elightened awakening....all is not as it seems to you.

 

[ITRADE]

You could not be more wrong.

I'm more amused by the weak lamb argument propogated by PitBull. Labor at this company fully knows what it can and cannot do. A vocal minority clearly seems willing to assist in the deep sixing of US Airways and to collect unemployment.

TIRADE, i think you need a trip around the mechanic and related areas for an elightened awakening....all is not as it seems to you.

Oh, so you're saying that a plurality would like to deep six the company.

OK, I understand now.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[FM2436]

I'm sorry, But USAirways did have very profitable years. Where have you been? In the early 80's when I got started, U made profits all the way until the Piedmont/PSA mergers. In fact, U had "wind fall earnings" and every employee got a xmas bonus (my first 7 years straight). In 1989, we begain a slump, along with the rest of the industry.

Between years of 1995 and and 2000 U made billions in profits. The stock in 1998 hit an all time high of $84 a share.

Today's economy, was not the economy of the past, and will not stay as the economy in the future.

But PITbul:

TODAY, US Airways is not making billions and unless things change immediately, US Airways will never make billions ever again.

There's another discussion on this message aboard about 1,500 mechanic losing their jobs because of the over-ruling of the contracted maintenance issue. Well, if US Airways is to become more like the LCC's, isn't contracting of heavy maintenance needing to become a necessity? An if contracting of heavy maintenance is limited to "C" and "D"checks (and please correct me if I'm wrong about those checks) won't there still exist the need for US Airways employed mechanics to perform everything between line-maintenance and "C" checks.

Won't US Airways pilots need to reopen their contracts and agree to fly more hours at current pay. If I remember a USAToday article that ran approximately 3-4 months ago comparing hours flown by pilots of the LCC against pilots of the network carriers, Southwest pilots were flying almost 10-20 hours more a month than US Airways.

Are not these 2 examples of what management is trying to implement?

You and I will beat this argument to death. Very soon either you'll be correct or I'll be correct.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

I'm sorry, But USAirways did have very profitable years. Where have you been? In the early 80's when I got started, U made profits all the way until the Piedmont/PSA mergers. In fact, U had "wind fall earnings" and every employee got a xmas bonus (my first 7 years straight). In 1989, we begain a slump, along with the rest of the industry.

Between years of 1995 and and 2000 U made billions in profits. The stock in 1998 hit an all time high of $84 a share.

Today's economy, was not the economy of the past, and will not stay as the economy in the future.

Nope. Those 'profits' were merely the result of creative accounting. The day of reckoning was always pushed off to the future. Not anymore.

Both British Airways and Warren Buffet invested in USAir and both walked away shaking their head in disgust.

Hey pitbull why don't you ask those guys what they did with their huge profits from USAir? Just because you got a holiday ham bribe doesn't mean the business was profitable.

USAir hasn't faced reality since the 80's and today, on the edge of the abyss, is still denying reality.

Godspeed.

 

[Gibstr]

I am sorry Pitbull... Whatkindoffreshell is right the christmas bonus' were not of the kind you could go out and buy and good suit with and there wern't that many anyway yes life was good at that time but it was good for everyone else in the airline business but things change and so does the airline business all I can say is you need to keep you mouth on iddle and you brain in gear so you can atleast side step the s--t thats coming cause the price of doing business is fast changing and its going to get worse before it get any better " if it does" regards

 

[Light Years]

Is punctuation too much to ask? No one reads paragraphs that are a single sentence. Maybe it's for the better.

 

[insp89]

I'm sorry, But USAirways did have very profitable years. Where have you been? In the early 80's when I got started, U made profits all the way until the Piedmont/PSA mergers. In fact, U had "wind fall earnings" and every employee got a xmas bonus (my first 7 years straight). In 1989, we begain a slump, along with the rest of the industry.

Between years of 1995 and and 2000 U made billions in profits. The stock in 1998 hit an all time high of $84 a share.

Today's economy, was not the economy of the past, and will not stay as the economy in the future.

Nope. Those 'profits' were merely the result of creative accounting. The day of reckoning was always pushed off to the future. Not anymore.

Both British Airways and Warren Buffet invested in USAir and both walked away shaking their head in disgust.

Hey pitbull why don't you ask those guys what they did with their huge profits from USAir? Just because you got a holiday ham bribe doesn't mean the business was profitable.

USAir hasn't faced reality since the 80's and today, on the edge of the abyss, is still denying reality.

Godspeed.

Yep, We all know about "CREATIVE ACCOUNTING". These companies can paint any picture that suits them. Sometimes it's an inflated profit, Sometimes it's a inflated loss. Nothing New.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

I have to agree on some points being made. U has lived in a false economy for years. The mear fact that our stock rose to $84 dollars per share , was based purely on speculation and a dreamed of windfall based on the UA/US merger.

Had U really had such staying power?...our current situation now would be far far different from what we face.

The $1 Billion we have to maintain in the bank cannot be used to pay this or that...and sadly paying the employee's is in some degree of jeopardy because of lawyers and legal battles being waged on a daily basis.

U having slightly more than a billion in the bank...and being able to spend it at will is equal to me having the credit to buy a given item that is in reality , well beyond my means to actually pay for it. I'm sure many have recieved "Pre-approved" notices for this or that....and being tied to U as I am...those become shredder material because of the obvious reasons.

I do not subscribe to the thinking of the Airbus outsourcing being a saving grace for U..and I tend to see where such moves may even weaken U's credibility in some respects. The issue is about greater utilization of the Acft on a daily basis..and hopefully the crews that man them. Niether generates anything while sitting for pro-longed periods during the flight-day. This is but another reason to explore the rolling hub philosophy combined with point to point offerings between certain markets.

The key to profits lives within the ability to adjust to what the market will support...and adjustments are obtainable without beating the loyal workforce into the pavement while making said adjustments.

 

[orwell]

Next time your short-sighted mind tells you that it is the laborer who shuts down a company, you need to find out who makes the laws THAT CONDONE sending American jobs out of this country. Who makes the rules that outsourcing is OK. Who makes the laws that BK is OK and even fostered.

Labor has done more than any other interested party to save this particular company. THE REST IS UP TO MANAGEMENT ON WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE SACRIFICES ALREADY GIVEN. If THEY choose to take their money off the table and run, so be it.

Ok, what about the US laws that allow unions to practice legalized extortion?

What about the US laws that allow unions to collude on pricing (you know, that time-honored practice of jacking the industry up one corner at a time.)

Example - union members of various competing US carriers proudly honor picket lines, discuss common strategies to inflate salaries, etc. Yet competing carriers cannot so much as whisper to each other about strategies with respect to competing with the hordes of commodity carriers nor on ways of keeping costs down.

So, don't try to sell the idea that the government is entirely company-friendly. There are plenty of outrageous laws that allow extortionary union tactics.

What it all adds up to is that, for years, many airline workers viewed themselves as mercenaries, not employees. They sought to squeeze the most pay their threats could buy for themselves and their co-mercenaries - and to heck with other employee groups and the rest of the company.

What is happening today is, in part, a result of such mindsets.