US Airways withdrawing China Application?

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Hawaiian's decision not to apply for China flights before 2009 means Delta is almost a lock to win this year's new-entrant airline designation, although it is still unclear exactly when Delta would have to launch its proposed Atlanta-Shanghai service.

Last week, a Hawaiian spokesman told The DAILY the carrier will not contest the current round of China flight awards due to be awarded by the U.S. Transportation Dept. After running the numbers, Hawaiian determined that daily service between Hawaii and China is "not commercially viable" at the moment, the spokesman said.

A revised aviation agreement reached by the U.S. and China last month advanced the timetable for allocating new flights. The deal allows DOT to name one new-entrant carrier and allocate seven weekly flights this year. Delta, Hawaiian and US Airways had all expressed interest in launching China flights, but US Air recently said it will probably wait for the next new-entrant designation in 2009 because it won't have the appropriate aircraft in its fleet this year (DAILY, May 25).

Hawaiian "remains interested in serving China," the airline spokesman said. However, the difficulty faced by Chinese citizens in obtaining U.S. tourist visas reduces the feasibility of the route, the airline believes. Hawaiian will "continue to support [government] efforts" to remedy the visa problem and "clear the way" for future service, said the spokesman.

Ironically, the Chinese government also raised the visa issue during the series of negotiations with the U.S. government leading up to the new deal. The Chinese government believes the length of time it takes to get a tourist visa will make it harder for Chinese airlines to take advantage of increased service. The U.S. government assured the Chinese that it will streamline the visa process.

Meanwhile, Delta is not yet certain when it must begin its Shanghai flights if it wins this year's award, as expected. Before the latest U.S.-China deal advanced the timetable, Delta was expecting to launch the flights in March 2008, when it is scheduled to take delivery of its first Boeing 777-200LRs. Now, however, it appears the airline may have to begin service this year.

In announcing the application procedures last week, DOT said the selected carrier can begin the flights as early as Aug. 1. However, the flights are subject to a 90-day dormancy rule, meaning they could be revoked if not used within 90 days of the DOT's award decision.

DOT has not set a date for the final award, so it is impossible to gauge when the 90 days will expire. Also, DOT said it will "permit some flexibility" in the launch deadline, recognizing that the selected airline will have to obtain airport slots and Chinese government approvals. The airline "therefore may not be in a position to institute service within the range of our standard 90-day startup requirement," DOT said.

Although it is not yet setting a start date, Delta intends to meet any DOT deadline requirements, a Delta spokesman told The DAILY. The carrier can use 777-200ERs it already has in its fleet to operate the flights until the -200LRs arrive, he said.

The application procedure launched last week applies not only to this year's new-entrant designation, but to all flight awards through 2009. This includes an award for Guangzhou service in 2008 -- expected to go to United -- and three daily flights for incumbent carriers in 2009. American, Northwest and Continental are the likely front-runners for the 2009 awards.
 
No surprise here. This is the new US's M.O. They say they are going to do something and then later decide not to and hope everyone forgets.
 
The real reason we are going to withdraw is the company is having a hard time finding a much larger snack basket!!
 
No surprise here. This is the new US's M.O. They say they are going to do something and then later decide not to and hope everyone forgets.
I am just curious. Are you Sherry Shamblin? Or is it a joke avatar? If it is a joke it is not funny.
 
If her pic is on a public web page it can be used for non-commercial use.
 
That and ALPA refused to give the company a pay rate to fly it.

WE ARE SMART...NOT!!! :blink: :blink: :blink:
A320 Driver B)

Here's a guy who will be a perfect fit for the GAG.

FYI there already is a pay rate in place for the 777 and 340 in the East contract. Get the facts straight before you spew your GAG attitude.

If DP wants to fly to China he is going to have to figure out how to operate the freakin stuff he already has on a reliable basis first. DOT is not going to give a China route to a wannabe carrier who can't run a North Atlantic operation when a jet breaks. Not to mention the fact we don't own or lease a jet that can fly the route in the first place.

pilot
 
Here's a guy who will be a perfect fit for the GAG.

FYI there already is a pay rate in place for the 777 and 340 in the East contract. Get the facts straight before you spew your GAG attitude.

If DP wants to fly to China he is going to have to figure out how to operate the freakin stuff he already has on a reliable basis first. DOT is not going to give a China route to a wannabe carrier who can't run a North Atlantic operation when a jet breaks. Not to mention the fact we don't own or lease a jet that can fly the route in the first place.

pilot

From a more PRACTICAL standpoint, the company offered us $12 over A330 rates, and that was their FIRST offer. Do the math: $12/HR, $1020/month, $12240/year over the A330. All higher end jobs, GROWTH and twice as many F/O jobs than Captains. We didn't even bother to counter. You look into the eyes of the F/O you work with, sitting reserve for YEARS because of NO GROWTH and when it's offered to us, we don't even respond.


See if the bank will cash that check for mis-placed MORAL HIGHGROUND.


A320 Driver <_<
 
You look into the eyes of the F/O you work with, sitting reserve for YEARS because of NO GROWTH and when it's offered to us, we don't even respond.
See if the bank will cash that check for mis-placed MORAL HIGHGROUND.


We have had reserves sitting short call for DECADES, not just years. They have been abound the Horn enough times not to bite on this pitiful offer. I feel your pain, Shiny Jet is a dibilating disease, causing pilots like yourself to forget there IS a moral highground. The pilots at EAL and NWA set the bar long ago. Shiny Jet guys are always willing to sell out for the short term goal. I hope you get some help soon.

Greeter.