US FA's Stapled to the Bottom

[ANDROMEDA]

I don't know that AA is necessarily an exemplary airline. First off, everyone of the accidents that AA had, going all the way back to the 757 crash in Colombia was blamed on AA or its pilots. Out of all the US airlines AA is probably, statistically the unsafest airline. Additionally, there is no airline that has (in recent history) been reported in the press more negatively than AA. During the period of 1999 to 2005 alone, AA almost every year hit the negative press once or twice, always having to publicly respond on its Press Releases site on scandals going on.

Objectively seen, all airlines have their inhouse sh!t going on. AA is not excluded.

I agree, US AIRWAYS was never any better of an airline than the others, it was just another mediocre US carrier, and that it is not because of America West. Certainly, America West management hasn't done much to fix the company. US AIRWAYS went down the tubes because it REALLY wanted to survive. It saved every penny it could during bad times, thus affecting the level of quality of everything it offers - shitty airplanes, shitty service, shitty (CHEAP) labor [whereever possible] and a shitty overall product, [just like AAs domestic product]. You got to give them credit though, because they really did their best to restructure in bankruptcy. The same cannot be said though about United or Delta. They kept spending and spending, now realizing that it was a mistake, and that the needed saving were not accomplished.

 

[FA Mikey]

I don't know that AA is necessarily an exemplary airline. First off, everyone of the accidents that AA had, going all the way back to the 757 crash in Colombia was blamed on AA or its pilots. Out of all the US airlines AA is probably, statistically the unsafest airline. Additionally, there is no airline that has (in recent history) been reported in the press more negatively than AA. During the period of 1999 to 2005 alone, AA almost every year hit the negative press once or twice, always having to publicly respond on its Press Releases site on scandals going on.

Care to back up that with actual facts.

 

[Hi-C-Camp]

Care to back up that with actual facts.

Facts are facts FAMikey, Are you ready to be no.3 next to your number 4 codeshare partner CAL? Hey aren't you supposed to be working feverishly to "set the bar" for the rest of the flight attendants in the industry? Rotflmao!!!

 

[FA Mikey]

Facts are facts FAMikey, Are you ready to be no.3 next to your number 4 codeshare partner CAL? Hey aren't you supposed to be working feverishly to "set the bar" for the rest of the flight attendants in the industry? Rotflmao!!!

I guess this means you have no facts. We were fine being number two to United's number one for all those years. I am sure we will continue to be just fine as a three or even four. But before you take that birth control pill, keep in mind United has not yet asked the ugly fat girl to dance.

 

[ANDROMEDA]

Care to back up that with actual facts.

Sure:

Three or four if you will, of the last few major accidents:

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_de...erican+Airlines

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_de...erican+Airlines

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CW..._21/ai_67215615

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_de...erican+Airlines
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz...+Airlines+crash

AA usually finds itself making defensive statements: (go back as far as you can in the google search as some articles are duplicates)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz...amp;btnG=Search

Here are a few other ones harder to find:
http://www.laboremploymentlawblog.com/pree...xamination.html

http://www.nbc6.net/news/10754704/detail.html

There are many more that I just cannot think of but usually found out about them through AAs responses on its press release sites which unfortunately only goes as far back as 2006. Keep in mind that in my original statement posted above I said that they had a bad wrap up until 2005. The airline has kept itself out of the negative press for a couple of years now, but prior to that, it did not. It constantly had to make statements regarding lawsuits, disputes, conflicts, general problems, safety misshaps and other issues. Ironically, the press releases pre-2006 are no longer on the website.

There were also a few that involved incidents with celebrities on their planes:
Here is one (at least) http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=114&sid=656844

 

[EMBFA]

Exactly what did I post that was personal? Or untrue? Besides, why is it ok for you to get defensive, but you and your cohorts get free rein to use terms like SkynAAzis, and brainwAAshing? There must be some subtle difference that I don't understand. Maybe you can explain it to me.

Right or wrong, and with all due respect, the difference is that you are on the US Airways board. It's filled with US Airways employees. It's like being at someone's family gathering- whether they are airing their dirty laundry or not, you don't insult their family or grandstand about your own dysfunctional family, that they don't care for much either.

 

[EMBFA]

Sure:

Three or four if you will, of the last few major accidents:

And THIS is amazingly tacky and insensitive. PR mishaps, product failures, operational meltdowns are all fair play. Crashes are not.

Sadly enough, these incidents are some of the few times employees of all airlines feel like a family, and we all mourn together.

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

Right or wrong, and with all due respect, the difference is that you are on the US Airways board. It's filled with US Airways employees. It's like being at someone's family gathering- whether they are airing their dirty laundry or not, you don't insult their family or grandstand about your own dysfunctional family, that they don't care for much either.

To use the family gathering analogy, suppose an in law or potential in law is at said gathering and all they hear is about how terrible their family is? Or how they're all drunks or gamblers or dope fiends or women of questionable morals?


I read all of these forums because I'm interested in commercial aviation.I don't wear blinders and I don't restrict my reading to the forum that pertains to my employer.As such, when I see my employer being dumped on in the lowest possible manner with cheap mentions of fatal accidents, I am going to come and sh!t on the table at your family gathering.

 

[jimntx]

Right or wrong, and with all due respect, the difference is that you are on the US Airways board. It's filled with US Airways employees. It's like being at someone's family gathering- whether they are airing their dirty laundry or not, you don't insult their family or grandstand about your own dysfunctional family, that they don't care for much either.

Excuse me. The Boards on USAviation are PUBLIC bulletin boards. Membership in individual boards and threads is not required. Now, as someone who has no problem using phrases like SkynAAzi and brainwAAshing to describe AA employees, you should be aware that at that same family gathering, if there is a guest and you badmouth them, you may not like the results.

Now, as I said before. I didn't post anything that hadn't been previously posted by you or other LCC employees and customers. Why is the truth objectionable when it comes from someone other than you? As far as your previous comment that LCC employees don't frequent the AA board, you are just wrong.

If you want the USAirways board to be private, maybe you should fund a members only board that you could check against employee rolls when people apply. As long as you post and use a PUBLIC bb, expect your comments and the comments of other LCC employees to be PUBLIC.

 

[Twicebaked]

People get back to the topic and take the pi$$ing match somewhere else. :down:

Actually, just close it!!!! Stapling isn't going to happen anyway, so it is a waste of breath and time.

 

[EMBFA]

Excuse me. The Boards on USAviation are PUBLIC bulletin boards. Membership in individual boards and threads is not required. Now, as someone who has no problem using phrases like SkynAAzi and brainwAAshing to describe AA employees, you should be aware that at that same family gathering, if there is a guest and you badmouth them, you may not like the results.

Now, as I said before. I didn't post anything that hadn't been previously posted by you or other LCC employees and customers. Why is the truth objectionable when it comes from someone other than you? As far as your previous comment that LCC employees don't frequent the AA board, you are just wrong.

If you want the USAirways board to be private, maybe you should fund a members only board that you could check against employee rolls when people apply. As long as you post and use a PUBLIC bb, expect your comments and the comments of other LCC employees to be PUBLIC.

Duh, we all know it's public. You're asking why your comments are being perceived as objectionable, well, again, it's the US Airways board. Sorry. Secondly, an opinion from an employee is a justifiable one. An outside opinion is just regurgitated from an insider and is usually misinformed or off in it's effort to insult. A good example is the person who slung an insult about the 1988 mergers... huh? Galley Show comedy does not mean there is animosity from events of two decades ago.

You usually have good natured posts with interesting information written in a style that's enjoyable to read. You're a well-liked poster. What surprises me is your sudden, odd use of weird logic like "If we needed more flights to CLT or PHL we would fly there" Huh? Do you understand what a hub is? Then followed by the usual banging of pots and pans about how superior AA is. I have to say I'm a bit envious of the F/As of AA and UA that blindly and loudly shout about how great their route structure is, how fine their service is, how gorgeous their stews are, while the company spirals with the rest of them. Pensions disappear while some F/A brags about a new route or seat as if their own self-worth depended on it. We could probably use some of that deluded pride in our name at US. If anything, we are still here while airlines deemed 'superior' are not, and through a identity crisis revolving door of management, route map and focus, customer base, brand and image, the only constant has been our employees- and that's why we fight almost fanatically for what is fair to everyone, and we have always won in that regard.

Look at the views for the AA board and this one. The interest in the US board is more than all of the others combined. Just the way it is. Public or not, it's a by far US Airways dominated site. Right or wrong, we can mercilessly tease our younger siblings, but if someone else messes with them they'll get punched in the face. The same dynamic is at work here... if you post negative stuff about the airline, not being an employee or customer, they are going to jump on you and your equally easy to trash employer. I'm no shrinking violet myself on these boards but I'm more than able to take the heat when it's directed back at me without wondering why.

And yes, the thread is a little pointless. Probably time to close.

 

[Bear96]

US management is fairly universally despised and maligned, both by employees of this airline and others. I won't defend them. But the company itself is comprised of some of the hardest working and toughest employees in the industry, and I dare say no group has been through the ringer more than them/us these last few years. They've been beaten down repeatedly and somehow still manage to make it through. They've had to endure successive management teams that have pitted them against each other, instigated in-fighting, raped them and then walked away filthy rich with money stolen from their pockets. No matter what anyone else says, you'd be hard-pressed to find a tougher, more dedicated, more experienced or more skilled workforce in the industry. And it's important to remember that US Airways employees are NOT management and NOT the ones running the company.

For a group that is supposedly so "tough," y'all sure do a lot of whining. Just check out the different airline forums on USAviation. LCC is the smallest of AA/UA/DL/NW/CO, yet has the most whining by far.

Just an observation.

(I'll anticipate the first rebuttal ("But we have had it sooo much worse than anyone else!") with this: Making excuses for why you whine so much =/= "tough.")

 

[PhxMama]

For a group that is supposedly so "tough," y'all sure do a lot of whining. Just check out the different airline forums on USAviation. LCC is the smallest of AA/UA/DL/NW/CO, yet has the most whining by far.

Just an observation.

(I'll anticipate the first rebuttal ("But we have had it sooo much worse than anyone else!") with this: Making excuses for why you whine so much =/= "tough.")

We have the most active board which is why everyone comes to visit our party! Even though the party is at our place we do go out from time to time but the "fun" is at home. Mama

 

[TheNewUSAirways]

For a group that is supposedly so "tough," y'all sure do a lot of whining. Just check out the different airline forums on USAviation. LCC is the smallest of AA/UA/DL/NW/CO, yet has the most whining by far.

Just an observation.

(I'll anticipate the first rebuttal ("But we have had it sooo much worse than anyone else!") with this: Making excuses for why you whine so much =/= "tough.")

speaking as someone who escaped US, I agree with you completely. And the things that ARE whined about are amazing, like glassware-big whoop!. And it amazes me that there can be literally hundreds of posts every week rehashing the same old ALPA/USAPA and pilot seniority arguments.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Nothing that AA did in the past (much to their disgrace) can happen these days precisely because of what AA did in the past.