US pilot labor thread 6/14-6/20

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Have you looked at the west senority list lately? Talk about floundering careers. 10 year Fo club for sure, and no relief in sight... Unless you take the east jobs... talk about immoral!

As one westie stated..."there would be no west furloughs if the east had kept the nic award".
How truly interesting your group's logic is.

Hey trunion: care to provide the exact quote you refer to in your post? Can't find it? Oh well, until you do, readers should consider your statement about west logic to be a mere prevarication and a weak attempt at character assination.

For you eastyz, that means he's making stuff up to make himself feel better.

He doesn't know that:


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

 

[exB717Flyer]

And our MEC tried in vain to negotiate a little with you guys.

Yes, and when an agreement couldn't be reached it went to arbitration. Oh wait, did you mean the talks after Nicolau's decision where the AAA MEC demanded concessions from us? You call that "negotiating"? And now you're surpised the AWA pilots aren't jumping on the USAPA bandwagon? Shocking.

 

[checksix]

If you want to call me "big boy" can I call you "old man" LOL. No, I haven't paid dues and will not pay any to your toxic culture. Here is some advice, if you want to reconcile differences you have to negotiate a little, be considerate. Taking a vote and crowing about majority rule is not claiming any moral high ground. One day you may figure this out.

Well, we tried to negotiate, remember? Wye river? How many times did we attempt to negotiate with the west? It's too bad you didn't know your own advice then, you wouldn't be in this situation. That "stapler" mentality just didn't work out for you..........

 

[nycbusdriver]

Shocking.

As will be the first round of termination letters.

 

[checksix]

Checksix: Preachy is a woman. Ex-ALPA type now enjoying line flying.

Well......now that clarifies a few things, thanks 73.

 

[checksix]

If you want to call me "big boy" can I call you "old man"

My apologies, I did not realize you were of the opposite sex. I'm not interested in being your old man though, I am happily married. 🙄

 

[EastUS]

That's rich coming from a west pilot. "...if you want to reconcile differences you have to negotiate a little..."

That's past merely "rich" , and fully established within the Land of the Hilarious...especially given that the particular poster referenced coined "Ho Ho Ho!..St Nic is coming to town!"...posted with a "Cute" graphic of Santa and sleigh's "reindeer" being labeled with ALL the front ones = AWA.

Here's but a tiny few examples of the west's "reasonable" attitudes towards even the least bit of post-Nic negotiations:

Prechilill: May 7th, immediately after Nic: "I would recommend to the USAir MEC to come clean on this issue and educate their pilots the award is final and binding."

Cactusflyr May 9th..same drill:"NA NA, and as a junior AWA FO, right now; "I WILL NOT FLY WITH AAA FIRST OFFICERS WITH AN ACTUAL HIRE DATE UNDER JULY 1980!!!..."

Heck...I almost left out Junebug's famous "Booyashaka!!" In any case...pretty much the entirety of west postings, after Nic, amounted to "Nyaah! Nyaah!..Dude!..We Totally GOT you guys good!"..."and you're stuck with it!!...Nyaah! Nyaah!" An entire year went by without the slightest real alteration of that "Integrity Matters/"Righteous Position". Frankly?...I'm fresh outta' sympathy for such BS.



QUOTE(Charlie_Tuna @ May 9 2007, 08:55 AM)
That line right there makes all other arguments a mute point. You have NO choice but to accept the Arbitrators award. You are REQUIRED to. Case closed"
QUOTE(Piedmont1984 @ May 8 2007, 07:48 PM)
If it causes a pilot group to break away and seek a different collective bargaining agent, common sense should tell you something is seriously flawed."
Response = exB717: "Cause and effect? No. ALPA Merger Policy did not cause you to be unhappy, YOU choose to be unhappy. IMHO it was a case of unrealistic expectations."

One "might"...ahem....now argue that "USAPA did not cause you to be unhappy, YOU choose to be unhappy. IMHO, it was/is a case of unrealistic expectations".

 

[luvthe9]

One "might"...ahem....now argue that "USAPA did not cause you to be unhappy, YOU choose to be unhappy. IMHO, it was/is a case of unrealistic expectations".

You hit the nail right on the head with this one!!!!!!!!! You should have heard them talk how they could not wait to get thier hand on all of UAL's big jets. "unrealistic expectations" is correct.

 

[checksix]

Prechilill: May 7th, immediately after Nic: "I would recommend to the USAir MEC to come clean on this issue and educate their pilots the award is final and binding."

Cactusflyr May 9th..same drill:"NA NA, and as a junior AWA FO, right now; "I WILL NOT FLY WITH AAA FIRST OFFICERS WITH AN ACTUAL HIRE DATE UNDER JULY 1980!!!..."

Heck...I almost left out Junebug's famous "Booyashaka!!"

QUOTE(Charlie_Tuna @ May 9 2007, 08:55 AM)
That line right there makes all other arguments a mute point. You have NO choice but to accept the Arbitrators award. You are REQUIRED to. Case closed"

QUOTE(exB717: "Cause and effect? No. ALPA Merger Policy did not cause you to be unhappy, YOU choose to be unhappy. IMHO it was a case of unrealistic expectations."

One "might"...ahem....now argue that "USAPA did not cause you to be unhappy, YOU choose to be unhappy. IMHO, it was/is a case of unrealistic expectations".

Those comments and attitude are absolutely astonishing. My oh my, how things have changed...........and to think they have now "chosen" to be unhappy. Go figure......

 

[EastUS]

You hit the nail right on the head with this one!!!!!!!!! You should have heard them talk how they could not wait to get thier hand on all of UAL's big jets. "unrealistic expectations" is correct.

The east had it's share of "those types" during the first go around with UAL as well. The point being that any/all "expectations" were/are/will always be, nothing more than luxury items only affordable by children. I've never seen any "expectation" provide food, shelter or any security whatsoever......especially "career expectations" 🙂 I've also, never seen anyone personally "bring a job"/heroically drag an actual airplane to any new site/etc...and I'm past tired of the west's "Righteous" and "Integrity" filled whining.

Checksix: "Those comments and attitude are absolutely astonishing." By no means sir. Those barely amount to the tiniest tip of the iceberg over the past year's futile attempts at reasoning with the west. My initial posting postion was pretty much.."ummm..guys/gals?..this Nic thing's NOT going to actually work out in the real world...Can we all talk?" ANY/all such notions were immediately descended upon by a virtual pack of "righteous" .."integrity" filled hyenas, not the least bit interested in usefull discussion at any level. What was given was variations on "You won't even get 200 cards!"/etc....and now?..even "Ho Ho Ho!.St Nic is coming to town" talks about negotiating?..while, "naturally" refusing to pay dues/participate, or seek to perform anything other than sabotage?...It's past pathetic.

 

[L1011Ret]

If you want to call me "big boy" can I call you "old man" LOL.
No, I haven't paid dues and will not pay any to your toxic culture. Here is some advice, if you want to reconcile differences you have to negotiate a little, be considerate. Taking a vote and crowing about majority rule is not claiming any moral high ground. One day you may figure this out.

There sure is a lot of toxicity from some posters here. Lying too. So right, "Taking a vote and crowing about majority rule is not claiming any moral high ground. One day you may figure this out."

We might hope so but several posters here do not show any capability to move beyond their righteous toxic attitudes.

 

[nostradamus]

There sure is a lot of toxicity from some posters here. Lying too. So right, "Taking a vote and crowing about majority rule is not claiming any moral high ground. One day you may figure this out."

We might hope so but several posters here do not show any capability to move beyond their righteous toxic attitudes.

It is hard to figure what side you are on, I do not think you know. The history of your posts show you being disgruntled toward american airlines because of your merger.

L1011 Ret posts, regarding their treatment by americancan airlines.

 

[trunion]

Hey trunion: care to provide the exact quote you refer to in your post? Can't find it? Oh well, until you do, readers should consider your statement about west logic to be a mere prevarication and a weak attempt at character assination.

For you eastyz, that means he's making stuff up to make himself feel better.

He doesn't know that:


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

You may read it for yourself in context...The post is #138 by ex717flyer. I think my interpretation is the same....I wish you would think about integrity before you ,basically, call someone a liar.

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

You may read it for yourself in context...The post is #138 by ex717flyer. I think my interpretation is the same....I wish you would think about integrity before you ,basically, call someone a liar.

trunion,

When you choose to omit relevant contextual matter, paraphrase another's writings and then place quotation marks around the result you are creating what is tantamount to a lie.

And that, sir, is exactly what you did.

So yes:


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

 

[nostradamus]

The list of cities Us Airways is reducing service to and from Las Vegas. One has to wonder if this reduction should have taken place a year or two ago.

Albuquerque
Atlanta
Austin
Bakersfield
Burbank
Cedar City
Cleveland
Colorado Springs
El Paso
Eugene
Newark
Merced
Medford
Monterey
Oakland
Oklahoma City
Ontario
Palm Springs
Reno
San Antonio
Salt Lake City
Tucson
Visalia
Yuma