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ATTENTION FLEET SERVICE MEMBERS
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Whether or not we understand this bankruptcy code (section 1113) is completely irrelevant to our position as steadfast, solid Union Members. We are very aware what the ramifications of abrogation are!

We are also very aware of the ramifications of Earth getting struck by an asteroid, a major earthquake on the east coast, or the loss of the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere.

None of these life altering possibilities interferes with our day to day approach to life.
If we do seek bankruptcy protection again in the future… so be it!

This Membership will not alter its resolve based on “could happensâ€￾… lot’s of sh** can happen!

We will not be influenced by fear mongering!
 
700 so what your saying is if there is BK the thieving company will pay off the crooked BK judge and do what they want like before?

all the more reason for fleet to be resolved not to give DP any concession at all
 
Do you not understand that if the company files Chapter 11, you will either give concessions or face another contract abrogation?
 
That's the answer I was looking for Garfield. Thanks!

I hope our new guys are willing to do whatever it takes to drag the process out as long as humanly possible. We need good lawyers to back us up in the courts.

And Bro-billy, I respect the fact that the ND is going to do things day at a time, but we need to start looking at the future here. We need a good strategy that will keep us unified, and our HARD, but we really have to consider a future of 200$ bbl oil.

And 700. a 21% pay cut across the board hardly seemed fair. I want to know what the pilots agreed to give up. It sounds to me they had a good union in place and everyone elses union bent down and took it in the tail pipe.

1113 said cuts have to be commensurate. 21% seems less than equal to the amount of work being done. I think this is a prime example of where the IAM failed you guys because they were less concerned about brotherhood, and more concerned with the politics that goes on.
 
Do you not understand that if the company files Chapter 11, you will either give concessions or face another contract abrogation?
what I understand is how corporate greed and backroom deals work, a briefcase of cash shows up things happen ask any political lobbyist

Chill, yes good lawyers are needed but while the union may have a couple of good lawyers a huge company like US will have the whole firm hired
 
You know the first book I ever read on unions dealt with European unions and how they do business . Here in the states there’s a lot of talk about solidarity and fighting the company , but over there the workers understand that the better their company does the better they will do and the more secure their jobs will be . They fight the company when they MUST and cooperate with it when they can .


Right now the united states economy continues to worsen , as it worsens unions such as our own , or any other in the airline industry lose bargaining power … we were lucky to make the gains we did when we did , even though they came at a high cost …. If we were still in talks today , those of you who had high expectations would be significantly let down .Our union has lost most of it’s power , right now all that our union can do for us is to make sure that we are treated fairly , and that’s enough in my opinion to justify unions …It’s high time our union recognize like they do in Europe that in order for us to succeed our company also needs to succeed . (every union at us airways needs to recognize that )


While we may have new leadership , that new leadership won’t be able to do much more than what our old leadership did for us . If those of you on here blamed the past leadership for the fact that our union took concessions in BK , then you were wrong to do so , had you not taken concessions , none of the other unions would have taken them and your US airways would simply be a footnote in history .

We may be facing the same scenario once again , althou I myself would much prefer that all of the unions prepare to face what maybe coming jointly , in my mind this means an inter union council where all the leaders of us airways unions gather and discuss amongst themselves what we could or would like to give up as a group .(they do that in europe ) That’s wishful thinking on my part however …

What is NOT wishful thinking is that we should at least begin to prepare for the likely possibility of concessions in the 4th quarter or the start of the new year . I see absolutely no reason we should lie or misguide our own membership into the belief that there can be no further cuts going forward . Do I want cuts ? not really but I do acknowledge that it’s a possibility , and there’s a part of me that grudgingly accepts that cuts maybe necessary to keep our company going .

It’s dawned on me that while concessions maybe inevitable , what need not be is giving them away for nothing … this is where our 19 cities come in … Yes normally our company would NEVER under any circumstance trade anything for the cost savings that they will achieve through the loss of these cities , but times are far from normal .. I believe that having cash on hand (COH) is now so important to this company that they would be willing to negotiate limited concessions in return for our 19 cities .


I’m more than willing to give up all of my holidays today if we can get our 19 cities back … in a perfect world perhaps our unions leaders would sit down with the company and write a new agreement , of course putting a clause in it that in the event the company returns to BK we automatically get our holidays back …

Ah well , sorry to push all of your buttons , I just cannot understand how so many of you can’t accept the “possibility†that there could be more concessions going forward in the economic climate our industry is now in .
 
Unless You Speak for Kirby or Parker.............and you can predict the future.........and......and.....and..................


S H U T T H E F * * K U P ! !

"I believe that having cash on hand (COH) is now so important to this company that they would be willing to negotiate limited concessions in return for our 19 cities . "

I'm impressed that you can abbreviate cash on hand.......IDIOT>>>>
 
Freedom once again you have no idea what you are talking about. In europe it is a socialistic economy where the standard wage of living is very high but also taxes/prices on goods are high as well. They also don't have the extreme differences in pay scale overall as managment/ceo's compared to the standard labor worker in the us. You cannot compare europe labor/unions to that of the us.
 
The stock market is down by 200 points right now and oil is back up after falling five dollars yesterday … I had hoped the announcement by the Chinese that they would increase rates in their country might have had a lessening on the price of oil , but we just can’t seem to get a break .


Before telling me to shut up , why don’t you talk to your fellow Americans and see what their outlook is on the economy , are people up beat ? Because from where I’m coming from , it’s a negative out look ..


You do understand the connection between the price of oil , consumer confidence and Americans willingness to spend money don’t you ?


As the price of oil goes higher ,people , even what I would consider well off people, are becoming more worried and less likely to spend money on just about everything . It doesn’t help that the price of food is also increasing leading more people to feel pinched …

In this new economy as people restrict their budgets , airfare begins to look more and more unattractive because it’s starting to cost more and people have less to spend .

As fewer people travel our company loses it’s revenue streams … our costs increase along with our losses … this puts us closer to the danger zone .

While our companies leaders believe that we will survive easily, I myself wonder if what could cause further harm to our airline isn’t just the price of oil , but consumer confidence …. If inflation starts to rise and consumers become even more paranoid about their money , we could see a drop off in travel due to economic fears in the general public …. In other words it’s not oil that could hurt us more , but lack of consumer confidence .
 
Once again not everyone in America needs to be entitled to fly! Every seat on the plane does not need to be sold to make a profit with nice revenue! I feel the airlines are trying to do what oil companies werent able to do until now. Raise prices...For the longest time the oil companies would try and band together and raise the price on gas but always one company would get scared and lower its price making the other have to follow suit. That is not the case anymore.

Its the same in air travel. US and other carriers would love to raise its ticket prices but if one company decides not to then the plan doesnt work and everyone gets slim profit margins.

Raise the price dramatically and let those that can afford to fly do so. When you have a aircraft that is only half full but operating profitably you also gain less complaints, fewer missed bags, more savings on fuel since it less full, ect.
 
BM. Im not too sure what you mean when you say "until now."

The oil price jumps around 2 years ago were because the oil companies slowed down the refining process, and NOW they got even higher because countries like China and India have driven them up because of demand.

I'm assuing you are talking over the span of 10 years or more.
 
Well…

It appears as if this forum is beginning to evolve into a “should we take concessions or not forumâ€￾.

As an ND08 supporter… I’ll assure you that I will never under any circumstances endorse concessions. I am very certain that my constitutes feel the same way.

Those who are in support of taking concessions to save the Company are delusional!

Even if Fleet were to agree to future concessions, our small contribution to overall corporate costs is so insignificant that it would not make any difference. We could literally work for free ,and the Company would still go out of business!

I will ask all who support taking concessions to post your reasons here in this forum.

We will clearly define friend from foe in this regard.
 
Roa

Sorry for my interuption of your tally, but I think that if I can come up with the Idea of removing the paint on our planes to lessen the overall wgt by 1000 or so LBS. then the people who get paid alot more than I, should be able to save us.....................read my lips ...NO, NADA, NOTHING ,CONCESSIONED!

OK sorry I just had to get it out because we could be here all day for replies from maybe 2 concessionary posters


Mike
 
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