US pilot labor thread 6/28-7/4

[AAA73Pilot]

More importantly, can I please be co pirate? I have been working on my RRRRRRRRs......

AAaarrrrr Matey. Would ye be planin on pillagin and plundr'n? aarrrrrrr

 

[LSS]

Hunter 42'....FABULOUS BOAT...!

Wow....

Love to hear them someday...

The cruiser in my avatar is a 60' hatteras...

but my personal fav is a 52' Irwin..

peace.

Sweet, sweet... a beauty!

 

[elixir]

AAaarrrrr Matey. Would ye be planin on pillagin and plundr'n? aarrrrrrr

Arggghhh1

Walk the plank..will'ye'?...

A crewin' ye shall be, nardyiye'

 

[elixir]

Anyway, I wish the best for all of us going forward.

I hope we can all find something to agree on.
With oil at these prices, I hope to have a job going forward.

 

[767jetz]

PS...76'...nice actually 'talking to you"...

Same sentiment here. It's good for us to step back from time to time and remember that the target in our cross hair is also a person, and a pilot, just like us.

It is sickening to see what this industry has evolved into. I pray for better days for those of us who have many years left, and for peace and stability in retirement to those winding down their careers.

 

[elixir]

Same sentiment here. It's good for us to step back from time to time and remember that the target in our cross hair is also a person, and a pilot, just like us.

It is sickening to see what this industry has evolved into. I pray for better days for those of us who have many years left, and for peace and stability in retirement to those winding down their careers.

Would that it would be so...

many happy returns..
and tailwinds, friend...

 

[cleardirect]

Captain Tom,

I have a question for you. Would you agree or disagree that when the Union and the Company are in negotiations that ALL sections of the contract are open and that changes can be made to said sections? Or are there sections of the contract that cannot be changed?

An example of what I am referring to would be Section 22 of the ALPA contracts of both the East and the West, the section regarding seniority and how that seniority shall be applied.

Section 22 of the AWA contract states “Seniority of a Pilot shall begin on the Pilot’s Date
of Hire.â€￾

Section 22 of the US Airways contract states “The Pilots' System Seniority List, as established by the Award of Arbitrator S. Kagel dated October 31, 1988, shall constitute the official Pilots' System Seniority List. (Kagel was the arbitrator in the USAir and Piedmont merger)

As you can see, even though both contracts were APLA sanctioned, they differ greatly in the language and documents referenced for establishing a pilots relative position for the purposes of promotion, demotion, retention in the case of furlough, etc., etc.

If the West’s position were to be taken, it would in essence say that Section 22 (or the equivalent) has already been decided and that it cannot be changed.

IMHO, I believe that all sections are open (including seniority) to negotiations. No where that I know of says that USAPA must reference any particular document concerning seniority, including the Nic award. The Nic award in the new contract will simply not be referenced at all.

Ready, fire, aim!

Joe

Joe,

That’s great section 22. Did you get hired at AWA or did I suddenly get hired at AAA? No! So section 22 has no bearing on seniority integration. That is the reason that we all go through merger integration. Otherwise there would be no need to spend $2 million to come up with a new separate list.

If it was just a matter of negotiating a new list with the company all we have to do is wait for a new contract. The majority votes on what they want. No need to go to binding arbitration. So maybe you might understand. Section 22 does no have any bearing on integration. Of course when you get hired at a new company it is DOH. During a merger a new list is devised. NOT DOH!

 

[InternationalShannon]

Arggghhh1

Walk the plank..will'ye'?...

A crewin' ye shall be, nardyiye'

I thought I was going to get the pirate job. *runs off and cries*

 

[N924PS]

The east contract not being amendable until 2009 and the EMB rates until 2015 means nothing. That changed once the company asked for a combined contract, which effectively opened both east and west contracts at that time. Nothing says a contract cannot be opened before the amendable date if both parties agree

The fact that the company is in negotiations with USAPA is proof that the amendable dates of everything are moot.

Please tell me why the company has any incentive to complete negotiations prior to the amendable date of LOA 93.

Unless Mr. Parker needs a contract to finally complete a merger with another carrier, I don't expect to see a new contract in place for 2-3 years, if USAirways is even still operating by then.