US pilot labor thread 6/14-6/20

[CactusFlyr]

I will agree this much, it is a part of history, mr. staple. Yes, it is part of our history just as ALPA was our past bargaining agent. But that is as far as it goes. There will be no stapler, mr. staple. Sorry to disappoint you. Your union's C&BLs require a DOH seniority list, it matters not whether you agree with it - that's the law of the land, so to speak. Perhaps you should consider changing your avatar???



I don't see many east pilots belittling anyone, on the contrary.....reference leonidas post. I continue to behave like a professional, no one is taking me to court for mailing them poop or abusing the safety hotline, etc.

As for things being tough (stressful), I don't feel it, nor do I see it in the pilots around me. I am sleeping well, I am happy and content, I look forward to working together on achieving a better contract. How about you?

You guys are a little late.

 

[checksix]

No, checktwelve. I did not know that!

I hope it doesn't bother you too much.


INTEGRITY MATTERS

NLC

Nope, doesn't bother me at all, in fact, I think it is quite ironic and comical. What comes around goes around............

 

[checksix]

You guys are a little late.

Really, so where is ALPA today? I'd have to say the timing was impeccable.

 

[Phoenix]

- the Nic is still there ..

Just like confederate money, the Nic will be worth something some day.. to collectors.

 

[EastUS]

east:

Your first sentence in this posting proves how selective amnesia has clouded your remembrance of the past. I guess you simply cannot remember all of the west attempts to get the east to the negotiating table.

QUOTE (NiceLandingCaptain @ Jun 20 2008, 03:08 PM)
Meanwhile, us westyz have provided solutions - solutions which would make life better for all of you."

EastUS: Really?...Name even so much as one "solution" that you've ever offered....????"..."and the sound of another envelope full of west "Integrity" hitting the floor is heard."


Oh..Silly me. I'd thought that you were actually implying that you/the west had/have some actual "solutions" to offer, that "would make life better for all of you"...other than "Waah!..Gimme my Nic!".."Gimme your seat, you east scum!"/etc... and the long-standard, well-established, whining-west mantras. My mistake...sorry.

It's unfortunate that things seem so unpleasant out in NicVille..what with all the "cross-carrying".."True Believers"..still wandering in the desert heat,..chanting the holy verses..and waiting for "The Miracle". Frankly?..ALL of that BS's entirely by your greed-soaked choices out there. I've no further sympathy to offer.

 

[cleardirect]

I think you have that backwards, It's the west that is starting the lawsuit and there is no stapling.

Just a reality check. Which pilot group has actually filed a law suit so far, east or west?

The west is collecting facts and evidence unlike the east that leans toward premature eja…

As far as a staple, what would you call a list that places 85% of one group below a furloughed pilots? That would be senior captains placed below at the time furloughed no job junior reserve F/O’s. In the top 3000 pilots by DOH. Less than 300 AWA pilots inhabit the lofty position. So yes it is a staple.

 

[skyflyr69]

You east clowns are paying alright, LOA93 for the forseable future. As for the west furlough's, I don't know one that would take a penny from east scum, we take care of our own, something you clowns know nothing about. How much money have you clowns lost so far? idiots

Leo, Sun getting to you out there? Chill, East making/losing more/less than west.
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AWAPPA: Staffed by REAL scabs

 

[EastUS]

unlike the east that leans toward premature eja…

"Just a reality check. Which pilot group has actually filed a law suit so far, east or west?" There's a big surprise...given that reasonable litigation's only based upon actionable issues...and the west has "acted" up plenty thus far.

"The west is collecting facts and evidence..." Great!..Umm..How's that actually going so far?...See the above....Don't you actually need some basis for a suit to succeed? I AM somewhat confused though = Weren't there an abundance of west postings threatening immediate legal onslaughts right after the election? Archived threads certainly show such. Umm..Whatever happened to that BS? FYI: The west BS du jour's becoming less impressive each day.

"As far as a staple, what would you call a list that places 85% of one group below..." I'd say that such is far less than the west sought to do to the east pilots. Next "point"? The east people are fine with fences and protections for you folks..which is a helluva' lot more than can ever be said of the west's "Righteous"..and "Integrity" filled posturing.

 

[cleardirect]

kiddies-play-with-hanging-dolls-in-cockpits....everyone knows the specifics already.

Hey east US,

That is about the third time that you have brought up the doll in St. Louis. Do you have any solid actual proof of what happened? Has an investigation been done? Any conclusions yet? Has anyone been fired or suspended over the incident?

You seem to be either very obsessed with dolls or maybe know something about how that doll got into a west flight deck.

Unless you have some real information your accusations are bordering on libel.

Just so you don’t waste time looking it up.

In law, defamation (also called vilification, slander, and libel) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressively stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts which arises where one person reveals information which is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person.[1] "Unlike libel or slander, truth is not a defence for invasion of privacy."[2]

 

[EastUS]

Unless you have some real information your accusations are bordering on libel.

So sue me already I didn't even mention St. Louis here, nor of said doll being on an AWA plane..which you've seen fit to confirm, so you must know some actual and established facts that serve to confirm any/all implications.
Legal genius seems abundant out there...😉

"You seem to be either very obsessed with dolls.." Nope..I think that they're properly and simply; the cherished toys of young children. "Others" appear to hold somewhat differing views on that.

Sue away at your pleasure...I can always use a few extra bucks.

Thanks for your definitions of libel via "In law"/etc. From Webster's, I offer an appropriate return gift:

Main Entry: stu·pid·i·ty
Pronunciation: \stu̇-ˈpi-də-tē, styu̇-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural stu·pid·i·ties
Date: 1541
1 : the quality or state of being stupid
2 : a stupid idea or act

 

[nycbusdriver]

I'm certain there are lots of westie lurkers that come here to read this stuff. I wish to pass along something to those folks (nothing I say will ever sink into the thick skulls of the westie blatherers, so you guys can ignore this.)

USAPA is obligated by law to defend all the US Airways pilots who are members in good standing, or who pay germane fees for contract administration. When the first invoice arrives at your home, think twice before righteously shredding it.

Once you are clearly in arrears for payment, USAPA's obligation to defend you if you get your "tit in a ringer," operationally speaking, is basically nil. (They will actually be in process of getting you fired, so don't expect any help.) You are out there plying your trade with no safety net for unintentional errors that happen to get company or FAA attention. But, of course, you always have your "integrity" to fall back on! Bring that to the unemployment line to get the weekly "integrity" special.

Good luck. Be careful out there.

 

[exB717Flyer]

When the first invoice arrives at your home, think twice before righteously shredding it.

Your concern is so touching. You want to help us save our jobs. OR -- you just want our money to help fund USAPA's attempt to create a seniority list that advantages the East. Words are meanlingless; actions are everything. Drop the seniority issue and then we'll talk about joining forces against our common enemies.

 

[EastUS]

Drop the seniority issue and then we'll talk about joining forces against our common enemies.

Guess again. "Gimme my Nic!" historically, hasn't played well, won't play well today, and never will play at all well. Given that you apparently feel that people should be extremely flexible on seniority: Why don't YOU "Drop the seniority issue"? Yeah...I thought so.

"Drop the seniority issue and then we'll talk". Meanwhile..back in the real world....I think I can stand even the loss of your future conversation.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Hey east US,

That is about the third time that you have brought up the doll in St. Louis. Do you have any solid actual proof of what happened? Has an investigation been done? Any conclusions yet? Has anyone been fired or suspended over the incident?

You seem to be either very obsessed with dolls or maybe know something about how that doll got into a west flight deck.

Unless you have some real information your accusations are bordering on libel.

Just so you don’t waste time looking it up.

In law, defamation (also called vilification, slander, and libel) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressively stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts which arises where one person reveals information which is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person.[1] "Unlike libel or slander, truth is not a defence for invasion of privacy."[2]

Are you threatening a lawsuit because someone said something on a public forum to anonymous members? I can post the video from Utube, which was televised by a St Louis TV station, if you like. Apparently some folks in St Louis thought it was newsworthy. Also, let's NOT forget the FIRST AMENDMENT, or have you dismissed it already?

Good luck with that. You'll have about as much luck as your DFR lawsuit you've been threatening against USAPA.

Like the guy on TV says: It's YOUR money, spend it when YOU need it! And lawyers cost a lot of it!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Your concern is so touching. You want to help us save our jobs. OR -- you just want our money to help fund USAPA's attempt to create a seniority list that advantages the East. Words are meanlingless; actions are everything. Drop the seniority issue and then we'll talk about joining forces against our common enemies.

Where have you been? There is NO seniority issue anymore. Sort of makes you want to crap in an envelope!