US Pilots Labor Thread 2/9-2/16

[BoeingBoy]

well, that was my point wasn't it?

Oh, I was clear on you point all along. It's ok for the PHL reps to exclude the CLT/DCA/LGA/BOS/PHX/LAS pilots, for the LGA reps to exclude the BOS/PHL/DCA/CLT/PHX/LAS pilots, and ok for the DCA reps to exclude the PHX/LAS/CLT/PHL/LGA/BOS pilots.

It's only upsetting when the PHX/LAS rep excludes the BOS/LGA/PHL/DCA/CLT pilots. Yes sir, your point is perfectly clear - East reps good, West rep bad.

Jim

 

[nostradamus]

On a national level the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) wanted to exclude the PHL reps by putting the local union council in receivership so they could vote in their puppet regime to the USairways ALPA chapter. This move was successful and the USairways puppets were voted in.

The vote that all USairways pilots were allowed to partake in a month later, voted ALPA and the USairways puppets off the property.

Some former alpa "supporters" are still having a very difficult time with this, now that they are back working for a living by flying the line or living life without flight pay loss.

US Airways Unit of the Air Line Pilots Association Reelects MEC Officers

Just three weeks later alpa was fired, booted off, sent packing, etc, etc.

US Airways pilots replace ALPA with new union

The difference? What alpa wanted and what the USairways rank and file pilots wanted.

 

[Crzipilot]

Shouldn't it have been, PHX and LAS based pilots....not America West pilots???

 

[BoeingBoy]

Either - the PHX/LAS pilots are America West pilots - a point I've made several times now. They work for America West Airlines, a subdivision of America West Holdings, which is a subdivision of US - check the SEC filings if you want proof. Other than an additional subdivision between US and America West Airlines, the same corporate structure that existed when MDA started operations, and everyone called those folks "MDA pilots". They called themselves "MDA pilots". They just didn't have a base that was MDA and only MDA. So what's the big deal about an America West pilot refering to the America West pilots he represents as "fellow America West pilots"? If including some and omitting others is the problem, why isn't it a problem when reps in an East base address only the pilots in that base in their updates but exclude the pilots in the other bases?

Or is the real problem that is's a West rep doing the excluding but it's fine if an East rep does the excluding?

Jim

 

[nostradamus]

The rep discussion has been very informative. My real hope is that no one has their feelings hurt. That said, there is this pesky dues paying problem that must be addressed.

The fact is that when someone representing the west pilots, addresses a group of west pilots that only have less than 100 of 1800 pilots paying dues to their union, well thats when an uncomfortable feeling by the East pilots should be understandable.

Again, the important thing is, I hope that the pilots not paying their bills for being represented by a union, are not offended when the bill paying pilots of the union cop them an attitude.

Group hug?

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Group hug?

My, my- something must be up to stifle all the vitriol that had been previously spewed.

Personal moderation or party line?

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

The rep discussion has been very informative. My real hope is that no one has their feelings hurt. That said, there is this pesky dues paying problem that must be addressed.

The fact is that when someone representing the west pilots, addresses a group of west pilots that only have less than 100 of 1800 pilots paying dues to their union, well thats when an uncomfortable feeling by the East pilots should be understandable.

Again, the important thing is, I hope that the pilots not paying their bills for being represented by a union, are not offended when the bill paying pilots of the union cop them an attitude.

Group hug?

Actually, nosty, we're not any more offended that we already were. You see, our "offended meter" was pegged out a long time ago by the antics of you ad your ilk .

By the way, I love Friday the 13th! Its always a payday and my check still says America West Airlines on it.

So, when the PHX rep addresses his pilots as "Fellow America West Pilots," he is 100% correct - no matter how offended you choose to be.

Group hug? Screw that........you'd likely try to pick my pocket in the process.

 

[nostradamus]

By the way, I love Friday the 13th! Its always a payday and my check still says America West Airlines on it.

The point is your check does not have a union dues check off listed under the deductions section, yet you demand the services of them.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

The point is your check does not have a union dues check off listed under the deductions section, yet you demand the services of them.

It's an interesting strategy to ridicule the "brothers and sisters" publicly and repeatedly while suggesting everything is "forgiven" if only they pay up.

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

The point is your check does not have a union dues check off listed under the deductions section, yet you demand the services of them.

I have yet to demand or even consider using any service of that union, so I am (not) paying for services (not) rendered. In fact that union is trying to take away something I earned fair and square - something that cost each of the America West pilots a significant amount of money.

That union does not deserve one single cent of my income.

And that's the point here.

 

[Mr. Big]

trying to take away something I earned fair and square - something that cost each of the USAirways pilots a significant amount of money, blood, sweat, and tears...


And that's the point here.

Now....thats the smartest thing this brotha's seen you write.

 

[Metroyet]

The point is your check does not have a union dues check off listed under the deductions section, yet you demand the services of them.

The only "service" your fake union offers the West is the demanding of money to help pay for the myriad lawsuits that they have created themselves. So, like communist China, I'm forced to pay for the bullet that shoots me in the head?

Now that's what I call Union!!!!

Don't finance anything. LOA 93 will be here for a long long time.

 

[Mr. Big]

And under seperate ops, your markets will be gone soon too....or did you miss that day?

da brotha

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Now....thats the smartest thing this brotha's seen you write.

QUOTE (NiceLandingCaptain @ Feb 14 2009, 12:50 AM) *
trying to take away something I earned fair and square - something that cost each of the USAirways pilots a significant amount of money, blood, sweat, and tears...And that's the point here."

earned fair and square - something that cost each of the America West pilots a significant amount of money.

Is this what you tried to quote?

Modifying quotes-very smart.

K den, Brah - mahalos and aloha for joining.

Da Bruddahs

 

[Furlough Fodder]

And under seperate ops, your markets will be gone soon too....or did you miss that day?

da brotha

Hopefully not because a slow contraction eastward repeating what happened after the PSA merger surely does not make a strong competitor out of US Airways.

So if the company wasn't in separate ops then these markets would stay? Those in charge are going to either keep or drop markets no matter what a bunch of fighting pilots do.

In my opinion it is better to fight for what you believe in then to sacrifice your values.