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Oh! The humility!!!!! 😱

I am floored that the "leadership" at the mighty "U" failed to follow their own C&BL! This can't be!

For BottomFeeder's sake: Actually I am not surprised at all!

Tiger

BTW did I get you all riled up?
 
Where do you get that?

You may wish to acquaint yourself with SEC filings from both US and HP from at least May through the "merger" announcement. You might find out that, stand alone, from filed data, US had about a year, presuming no change (things did get much better) and HP had about a month. This was not Chapter 7 but when "cash ran out", as BB likes to portray.

You might also find out that US had two other suitors, other than themselves. HP had none. HP was a basket case with a giant note due shortly. US had viable options and no "giant notes" short term.

The filings are free.

hey nark, I'm familiar with some sec filings, but when I read them they said America West, a healthy company, bought USAirways, a company days from liquidation. Just like it was reported on the AP, UPI and Nightly Business Report. Also since you were not here it is also how it was presented to the west employees. Reread those fillings, follow the money, and it will become clear.

If you keep making stuff up someone is bound to call you on it. But it just does not matter now we are stuck with each other, however we got here.

West pilots wanting what is right and usapa unable to get them fired for non-payment of agency shop.
 
Not at all, I expect to have my career expectations premerger to carry as much weight as the easts, something no one out east can grasp.
Then you should be happy being fenced into PHX/LAS, right?
 
HP had three successive quarters of profit prior to the announcement of the acquisition. US was close to extinction. Where in the SEC filings does it say differently? Please do tell who these other suitors were?
Why would I provide you with information you will not believe anyway, supporting your fantasies. Why are you so lazy?
 
hey nark, I'm familiar with some sec filings,.... Also since you were not here it is also how it was presented to the west employees.
You really need to read all the filings, not just the ones associated with HP.

You should know by now that what is "presented to the west..." is hardly more than propaganda.

You may wish to try to be more objective, something lacking from the "west contingent" here.

With the Fed note due and "profits" like a grain of sand on the beach, HP was due to go down quickly.

Here is a question for you. Who put up the "down" to complete the Lakefield loan, you know, the one that kept HP from going under?
 
Sure, give us back all our flying and the 7 year upgrades, the aircraft we had coming, and we will be happy.
I would love to, believe me, but, I think you need to talk with Parker about that. He is the one that took it all away. He is the one that can give it back to you.
 
Sure, give us back all our flying and the 7 year upgrades, the aircraft we had coming, and we will be happy.

"and we will be happy" Sure you would. Nothing short of a gold plated pacifier and an entirely free ride through all of life would accomplish that methinks...and then I'd still wonder as to when the next westie whining and wailing would commence......

Did it EVER even occur to you that 7 year upgrades weren't sustainable forever? Was EVERYBODY else going to continuously retire within a constant, 7 year cycle?...Was it your brilliant plan to limit the career durations of each west pilot to at most = 14 years?...Just to be "fair and equitable" just so you could have your 7 year itch scratched? (nevermind that..you just wanted "your" 7 year upgrade..and scrooch anyone else that might have then had your right seat forever..I understand,,it's the westie way) 😉...or was AWA going to expand like a ponzi scheme untill an airbus was parked in every driveway in the world? You people never cease to completely amaze and amuse me.....Just freaking Grow Up!, if that's at all even remotely possible for you out there. 🙄
 
"and we will be happy" Sure you would. Nothing short of a gold plated pacifier and an entirely free ride through all of life would accomplish that methinks...and then I'd still wonder as to when the next westie whining and wailing would commence......

Did it EVER even occur to you that 7 year upgrades weren't sustainable forever? Was EVERYBODY else going to continuously retire within a constant, 7 year cycle?...Was it your brilliant plan to limit the career durations of each west pilot to at most = 14 years?...Just to be "fair and equitable" just so you could have your 7 year itch scratched? (nevermind that..you just wanted "your" 7 year upgrade..and scrooch anyone else that might have then had your right seat forever..I understand,,it's the westie way) 😉...or was AWA going to expand like a ponzi scheme untill an airbus was parked in every driveway in the world? You people never cease to completely amaze and amuse me.....Just freaking Grow Up!, if that's at all even remotely possible for you out there. 🙄

Ok east, let me ask you, what is your opinion on the lawsuits brought by the west? also what is your opinion on management finding that usapa is not following it's own bylaws? I am truly interested in hearing your unbiased opinion after reading the documents.
 
You really need to read all the filings, not just the ones associated with HP.

You should know by now that what is "presented to the west..." is hardly more than propaganda.

You may wish to try to be more objective, something lacking from the "west contingent" here.

With the Fed note due and "profits" like a grain of sand on the beach, HP was due to go down quickly.

Here is a question for you. Who put up the "down" to complete the Lakefield loan, you know, the one that kept HP from going under?

I am actually very objective. I just threw out some flamebait to see if you would bite, (and to try and get the subject off seniority integration),you did not and your response was well tempered, good for you.

The propaganda presented on both sides is an attempt at managing our expectations.

I do not recall the fed note being due in entirerty, unless certain triggering circumstances happened. HP was showing profits,however small for 3 consecutive quarters, however they did have a large loss in the quarter prior to those three that took like a third of their cash and scared us all out here. You can limp along indefinitely braking even, but you can not loose half of everything and survive long. But we were not as dire as you make out, you might recall we attempted a purchase of ATA prior to the AA deal.

I do not know who put up the "down" you refer to. The way I remember it was HP announced we were talking to AA. we need like 1.3 billion to make the deal happen. 1.3 bil minus our 400 million means we need to come up with 900 million and we were close, With many investors contributing. I would have to do research to come up with exactly who and how much, but I do recall Airbus putting up like 250 million, Air wisconsin and Mesa Air Group are onboard, et al. Then the next thing we hear is the investment community likes the deal so much that we have raised over 1.6 billion and the deal is for sure on, but with the extra investors onboard the HP stockholders will now own like 38 percent of the new company instead of close to 50%, but still the largest single block of stockholders.

So here are my questions for you.

How much stock do the former AA stockholders own in the new company?

Where is Lakefield now, where is corporate headquarters now, and in what state is LCC incorporated? I'll give you a hint on that the last, LCC is the new company and the state begins with the letter DE.

And finally,

Q. What is the difference between an East Pilot and a West Pilot?

A. One of them thinks they are right!
 
Ok east, let me ask you, what is your opinion on the lawsuits brought by the west? also what is your opinion on management finding that usapa is not following it's own bylaws? I am truly interested in hearing your unbiased opinion after reading the documents.

I, like any person who's alive or has ever lived, can't honestly claim to have any entirely unbiased opinions on anything. Imho; professed/assumed and pretended total objectivity's among the most evident forms of wholesale narcicissm possible. We're all merely creatures of our combined personal experiences, education and belief structures. Anyway....Lawsuits = Same as before. I think the attempted actions have been prematurely launched and won't find success in court. External opinions mean nothing there though, and time will tell...a whole lot of time, I'd think. Assuming that sufficient merit's found to proceed; I'll honestly guess it'll take years for anything even approaching a final resolution to occur. As for the company's initial responses to the bylaws BS? = Clerical issues that aren't at all surprising to me, nor mean much of anything in the longer run. The company wants to cover it's own tail = Big surprise. Overall; I'll stick with: Call us all when the dust finally settles......

Ambrose Bierce: "Future. That period of time in which our affairs prosper, our friends are true and our happiness is assured."

"Mark Twain": "When we do not know a person--and also when we do--we have to judge his size by the size and nature of his achievements, as compared with the achievements of others in his special line of business--there is no other way." ....unless, of course..one has the folly of self delusion and whimsical arbitration to fall back on 😉
 
As for the company's initial responses to the bylaws BS? = Clerical issues that aren't at all surprising to me, nor mean much of anything in the longer run. The company wants to cover it's own tail. Overall; I'll stick with: Call us all when the dust finally settles......


Does it bother you at all that USAPA attempted to fire only 4 pilots out of the thousands that haven't paid them anything? How about this, of the thousands (east and west) that haven't paid ALL 4 were from the West? Moreover, of the 4 West pilots they tried to fire TWO of them are female pilots. So 50% of the attempted firings were leveled against what is easily the smallest minority group. Also, it was clear that they targeted these four specifically out of vindictiveness. I guess USAPA is confused. They're supposed to PRETEND to have the Wests interests in mind, not hand over a perfectly wrapped DFR suit. If these idiots were speaking on my behalf, I'd have a word with them.
 
Does it bother you at all that USAPA attempted to fire only 4 pilots out of the thousands that haven't paid them anything? How about this, of the thousands (east and west) that haven't paid ALL 4 were from the West? Moreover, of the 4 West pilots they tried to fire TWO of them are female pilots. So 50% of the attempted firings were leveled against what is easily the smallest minority group. Also, it was clear that they targeted these four specifically out of vindictiveness. I guess USAPA is confused. They're supposed to PRETEND to have the Wests interests in mind, not hand over a perfectly wrapped DFR suit. If these idiots were speaking on my behalf, I'd have a word with them.
Yes it does, there are alot of our pilots (east) I like to see gone.
 
If these idiots were speaking on my behalf, I'd have a word with them.

Whew!..Yes Ma'am!..and I'm certain that you'd give them a proper earfull :lol:

Given that they've, in your estimation, handed "over a perfectly wrapped DFR suit"...I'd think you'd be pleased though.....? 😉
 
Does it bother you at all that USAPA attempted to fire only 4 pilots out of the thousands that haven't paid them anything? How about this, of the thousands (east and west) that haven't paid ALL 4 were from the West? Moreover, of the 4 West pilots they tried to fire TWO of them are female pilots. So 50% of the attempted firings were leveled against what is easily the smallest minority group. Also, it was clear that they targeted these four specifically out of vindictiveness. I guess USAPA is confused. They're supposed to PRETEND to have the Wests interests in mind, not hand over a perfectly wrapped DFR suit. If these idiots were speaking on my behalf, I'd have a word with them.

Res,
I gotta say... You sure know a whole lot considering you "don't work here." Either you have a good friend who is well connected or you are a west pilot. I fly out west and I didn't even know this! And I dig for info every day!

This is not a dig at you per se, but man I am impressed with the amount of info you have...
 
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