US Pilots Thread for the week 9/14-9/21.

[john john]

Four west pilots have received certified letters from USAPA demanding dues payment.

Today the company decided that, for at least two of them, there will be no terminations for failure to pay dues to USAPA.

USAPA will of course appeal this decision, and if they do it will go before....... wait for it, a neutral arbitrator.

We know how USAPA feels about arbitration.

The people and there supporters can just vote in another union and void the arbitrators decision. Provided you get enough votes

 

[Res Judicata]

Res,
I gotta say... You sure know a whole lot considering you "don't work here." Either you have a good friend who is well connected or you are a west pilot. I fly out west and I didn't even know this! And I dig for info every day!

This is not a dig at you per se, but man I am impressed with the amount of info you have...

Aviation is a small world. I just happen to be well connected to this situation. That's all. I don't work for East or West anymore. Haven't for years.

 

[machtuck]

Before some of you get all frothy over this technicality, you'll be wise to recall exactly why many or all of these applications received no denial letter from USAPA about their "application". This is in accordance with their premeditated submission of "doctored" and "altered" membership forms...recall that certain lines were struck out, and addendum attached indication their unwillingness to uphold the C&BL's as written. This is clearly intended to be a win-win for them...if accepted, they assume it's under the terms of the "doctored" forms...if rejected, they believe their responsibilities end.

I suggest that you all consider that the "no response" was due to an inadmissable application, rendering it null and void, and worthy of neither acceptance or rejection.

I'm certain that USAPA will address this issue with the company in detail, and move forward with the processing.

As to who gets the letters....you westies have tooted loudly about who, and in what order paperwork may be served, vowing that ANY order is inappropriate since you are all "equally delinquent"...

Well, there's your answer, random...since there is no prescribed criteria to follow, other than the paperwork timing itself.... as you will soon find out.

Litigate around that...

 

[prechilill]

Before some of you get all frothy over this technicality, you'll be wise to recall exactly why many or all of these applications received no denial letter from USAPA about their "application". This is in accordance with their premeditated submission of "doctored" and "altered" membership forms...recall that certain lines were struck out, and addendum attached indication their unwillingness to uphold the C&BL's as written. This is clearly intended to be a win-win for them...if accepted, they assume it's under the terms of the "doctored" forms...if rejected, they believe their responsibilities end.

I suggest that you all consider that the "no response" was due to an inadmissable application, rendering it null and void, and worthy of neither acceptance or rejection.

I'm certain that USAPA will address this issue with the company in detail, and move forward with the processing.

As to who gets the letters....you westies have tooted loudly about who, and in what order paperwork may be served, vowing that ANY order is inappropriate since you are all "equally delinquent"...

Well, there's your answer, random...since there is no prescribed criteria to follow, other than the paperwork timing itself.... as you will soon find out.

Litigate around that...

Why are you so bitter? It is not the fault of any out west your decision to leave the Air Force turned into a huge mistake. You should have realized long ago USAir was a dead end.

 

[machtuck]

Does it bother you at all that USAPA attempted to fire only 4 pilots out of the thousands that haven't paid them anything? How about this, of the thousands (east and west) that haven't paid ALL 4 were from the West? Moreover, of the 4 West pilots they tried to fire TWO of them are female pilots. So 50% of the attempted firings were leveled against what is easily the smallest minority group. Also, it was clear that they targeted these four specifically out of vindictiveness. I guess USAPA is confused. They're supposed to PRETEND to have the Wests interests in mind, not hand over a perfectly wrapped DFR suit. If these idiots were speaking on my behalf, I'd have a word with them.

You're reaching, "counselor"...there is no standard criteria for the processing of these WILLFULLY problematic "applicants". Male, female, East, West..blonde, brunette, younger or older....ALL will find out that the paperwork will proceed. Your game of 1800 being safe won't fly...5-10 at a time will do...as a management executive has already publicly stated.

Lets start with the fact that they, by and large, have not even tendered a true and proper ORIGINAL application...and had the audacity to attach an addendum to the application stating their intent to be in non-compliance.

You think the company is going to stare blindly at these clearly dissenting and "illegal" applications?

As soon as the company gets the evidence of the actual "bogus applications"..game on.

 

[machtuck]

Why are you so bitter? It is not the fault of any out west your decision to leave the Air Force turned into a huge mistake. You should have realized long ago USAir was a dead end.

Hi Chili...not bitter...just a better memory than you give credit for...the Union is very aware of the games with the applications...as soon as the company gets the files..it goes forward....

nice try though.

 

[prechilill]

As soon as the company gets the evidence of the actual "bogus applications"..game on.

You sound all too excited about this. Perhaps you like to live in a divided house? I know you have personal experience with these sort of things, but really, you should tone down the glee of thinking about west pilots getting furloughed... It doesn't go with your self proclamation of being a true unionist too well.

 

[machtuck]

You sound all too excited about this. Perhaps you like to live in a divided house? I know you have personal experience with these sort of things, but really, you should tone down the glee of thinking about west pilots getting furloughed... It doesn't go with your self proclamation of being a true unionist too well.

I'm sick over the furloughs...east and west (goes to show what you know of me)...but the continued manipulation and wiggling by you and your poker-players out there may indeed cost you your jobs....

To that end, se la vie'

It's your party...play it any way you want.

PS: this will need confirmation, but I have a message from someone saying Robert Crandall was on property this past week discussing a potential merger...and it would be DOH...

check it out yourself...

Try not to get fired in the meantime.

 

[machtuck]

It would have been better to submit nothing, than to hand the company and the union the rope to hang you with..as these doctored and altered applications did...

More advice heeded by the braintrust, I suppose.

Hindsights' 20/20

 

[fodase]

It would have been better to submit nothing, than to hand the company and the union the rope to hang you with..as these doctored and altered applications did...

More advice heeded by the braintrust, I suppose.

Hindsights' 20/20

The angry fo club hasn't refused those apps, so you should take it up with them.

 

[machtuck]

The angry fo club hasn't refused those apps, so you should take it up with them.

Really?...wow.

Is that your "official" response?
EDIT: I suggest it is YOU...that may need to take something up with ANYBODY...not me.
Why don't you explain to me why you AND one of your "ringleaders" out there have resorted to some feeble and impotent personal attack on me instead of a reasoned response?

I'll answer for you:
you don't have one.

EXAMPLE:
Please define "refused apps"

Is there some document that dictates they must be mailed back?...(sans turds)

Is there some document that stipulates a phone call to said "applicant"?


Better leave this one to the big boys.

Better yet, I suggest you either blame yourself, or blame your "professional consultants" out there for what may indeed happen to you going forward.

It's your career....do with it what you will.

 

[prechilill]

PS: this will need confirmation, but I have a message from someone saying Robert Crandall was on property this past week discussing a potential merger...and it would be DOH...

check it out yourself...

Try not to get fired in the meantime.

Why do you make these things up? Do you even know who Robert Crandall is or where he works? Based on your "story" above the answer is a firm no. So, you think we are now merging with POGO. I see. Dude, lay off the ketamine... Your tales are growing stranger by the day.

 

[machtuck]

Why do you make these things up? Do you even know who Robert Crandall is or where he works? Based on your "story" above the answer is a firm no. So, you think we are now merging with POGO. I see. Dude, lay off the ketamine... Your tales are growing stranger by the day.

Well, I'm too busy flying these days...lets put it like this: whoever is in charge of American Airlines....etc etc...

happy?

I wish you would get that personal and passive/agressive behavior doesn't work on me...it gets old and reminds me of a few ex's...

Just disagree with facts...and lay off the 'going personal" angle.

It's old and ineffective.

Now...recheck with whoever your "cohorts " are out there, and see if the "man" from AA wasn't in town....

 

[machtuck]

And, as I initially said, I haven't confirmed this, but the source is sound so far.
Frankly, I don't give 2 sharts...but i thought you'd like to hear about the possibility of a merger sans ALPA...

hmmm. whatever.

Better fill out a real application soon, or I'll get bored on this site.

 

[tazz]

Why would I provide you with information you will not believe anyway, supporting your fantasies. Why are you so lazy?

What makes me lazy, oh brilliant one? Read the filings, prove they say what you claim they do and then prove that there were other suitors. You are pulling facts out of your rectum and I seriously doubt you have ever read any of the documents that you so indicate. It's a wast of my time even responding to your rhetoric. Yep, lazy I am!